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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 24 Oct 19 8.47am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Fair play, I’ve never seen someone more committed to a s* joke - geezer must’ve referred to taking medication at least 20 times by now.** It’s like in school when you discover ‘your mum’ - rinse and repeat. It is purely a joke between Steely and myself so why it concerns you I do not know! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 24 Oct 19 8.47am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Fair play, I’ve never seen someone more committed to a s*** joke - geezer must’ve referred to taking medication at least 20 times by now. It’s like in school when you discover ‘your mum’ - rinse and repeat.

It is purely a joke between Steely and myself so why it concerns you I do not know!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Midlands Eagle 24 Oct 19 9.59am
Originally posted by the silurian so you are saying that you vote for the personality rather than the party at a GE? Really? Are you confusing Wissy with normal people?
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Originally posted by the silurian

so you are saying that you vote for the personality rather than the party at a GE? Really?

Are you confusing Wissy with normal people?

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chris123 hove actually 24 Oct 19 10.15am
Originally posted by Badger11 In a perfect world WE is right. However how many people even know the name of their MP let alone what they have done for their community. This is why political parties came into being most of us vote for the party not the person because we don't have time to research it. I suspect that many voters are actually voting for the party leader even though they are not on the ballot paper except in one location. I just find it ironic that the MPs who have switched parties wan a confirmatory referendum because "we now know a lot more since 2016" however they don't believe that the public should be given a confirmatory vote on them changing parties. Funny that, if I was one of Anna Sourbry's voters I would be telling her that in light of recent events I now know more about her and realise I want to change my vote. With the amount of devolved power we have now, there's an argument that county and local councillors have more whack when it comes to local issues. I don't know, but I would imagine some county council budgets are as big as some departments.
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hove actually 24 Oct 19 10.15am

Originally posted by Badger11

In a perfect world WE is right. However how many people even know the name of their MP let alone what they have done for their community. This is why political parties came into being most of us vote for the party not the person because we don't have time to research it. I suspect that many voters are actually voting for the party leader even though they are not on the ballot paper except in one location.

I just find it ironic that the MPs who have switched parties wan a confirmatory referendum because "we now know a lot more since 2016" however they don't believe that the public should be given a confirmatory vote on them changing parties. Funny that, if I was one of Anna Sourbry's voters I would be telling her that in light of recent events I now know more about her and realise I want to change my vote.

With the amount of devolved power we have now, there's an argument that county and local councillors have more whack when it comes to local issues. I don't know, but I would imagine some county council budgets are as big as some departments.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Oct 19 10.18am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Are you confusing Wissy with normal people? One can only conclude that the erudite 'Wisbech Eagle' conducts a forensic assessment of the candidates in his constituency and he bases his vote on the result of his detailed study rather than base his vote according to party.This is his prerogative of course and is at total variance with the electorate as a whole. Apropos the insinuation of 'normality', given that I have had my sanity questioned on numerous occasions I am not best placed to form a judgement, besides I would not gallivant down this road on HOL and resort to detonating reputations in such negative terms. Edited by Willo (24 Oct 2019 10.31am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Oct 19 10.18am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Are you confusing Wissy with normal people?

One can only conclude that the erudite 'Wisbech Eagle' conducts a forensic assessment of the candidates in his constituency and he bases his vote on the result of his detailed study rather than base his vote according to party.This is his prerogative of course and is at total variance with the electorate as a whole.

Apropos the insinuation of 'normality', given that I have had my sanity questioned on numerous occasions I am not best placed to form a judgement, besides I would not gallivant down this road on HOL and resort to detonating reputations in such negative terms.

Edited by Willo (24 Oct 2019 10.31am)

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cryrst The garden of England 24 Oct 19 10.29am
Originally posted by Matov Well quite. Of all the spurious nonsense written by R2's, it is this one that is the most dangerous. That somehow how Leaves margin of victory was not enough. LOL. And why they are SO dangerous. Because if they get their way and we do not leave the EU, invalidating the result of the 2016 election, then a huge blow is inflicted on people's faith in our system. And not just on the 17.4 million. I know plenty of people who voted Remain in 2016 who believe the result should be implemented because they grasp the basic concept of how democracy works in terms of deciding elections. Along with sowing the seeds of perhaps the most dangerous and unpredictable political direction of English nationalism. Because after all, England voted to leave the EU. I think outside of London then every English region voted Leave (happy to be corrected on that btw). Leaving the door open for people to emerge and able to make the claim, with justification, that voting changes nothing. That other action is required. 52 beats 48. There is no fudging that or claiming it as being to close to call. Leave won by a clear margin. No recounts, no claims that the votes were not, on the whole, fairly cast or counted. A straight forward majority. And to try and dismiss that is beyond foolish. Correct on the regions. About 35% remain to 65% leave. Shame the result on the referendum didnt use normal voting rules as this would shut up the ones moaning about the margin between leave or remain.
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The garden of England 24 Oct 19 10.29am

Originally posted by Matov

Well quite.

Of all the spurious nonsense written by R2's, it is this one that is the most dangerous. That somehow how Leaves margin of victory was not enough. LOL.

And why they are SO dangerous. Because if they get their way and we do not leave the EU, invalidating the result of the 2016 election, then a huge blow is inflicted on people's faith in our system. And not just on the 17.4 million. I know plenty of people who voted Remain in 2016 who believe the result should be implemented because they grasp the basic concept of how democracy works in terms of deciding elections. Along with sowing the seeds of perhaps the most dangerous and unpredictable political direction of English nationalism. Because after all, England voted to leave the EU. I think outside of London then every English region voted Leave (happy to be corrected on that btw).

Leaving the door open for people to emerge and able to make the claim, with justification, that voting changes nothing. That other action is required.

52 beats 48. There is no fudging that or claiming it as being to close to call. Leave won by a clear margin. No recounts, no claims that the votes were not, on the whole, fairly cast or counted. A straight forward majority.

And to try and dismiss that is beyond foolish.

Correct on the regions.
About 35% remain to 65% leave.
Shame the result on the referendum didnt use normal voting rules as this would shut up the ones moaning about the margin between leave or remain.

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steeleye20 Croydon 24 Oct 19 10.46am
Originally posted by DanH The initial prorogation was supposedly about the Queen’s Speech when everyone knew it wasn’t so what’s the point in anyone pretending otherwise? Anyway, the vast majority of MPs who voted against the timetable said, quite rightly, because it’s nowhere near enough time to pass one of the most important pieces of legislation in modern history. Perhaps the tories were absent in order to read Johnson's agreement for first time, despite already having voted for it. If his deal had been to remain they wouldn't have even realised it. Actually parts of it are...
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Croydon 24 Oct 19 10.46am

Originally posted by DanH

The initial prorogation was supposedly about the Queen’s Speech when everyone knew it wasn’t so what’s the point in anyone pretending otherwise?

Anyway, the vast majority of MPs who voted against the timetable said, quite rightly, because it’s nowhere near enough time to pass one of the most important pieces of legislation in modern history.

Perhaps the tories were absent in order to read Johnson's agreement for first time, despite already having voted for it.

If his deal had been to remain they wouldn't have even realised it.

Actually parts of it are...

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 19 10.50am
Originally posted by the silurian so you are saying that you vote for the personality rather than the party at a GE? Really? I was under the impression that you vote for the party you support. When I voted, it was for the person representing the party, not because he /she was a jolly good chap.. You can decide on whatever basis you like. That's your choice and your right. What you get though is an individual MP and not a lobby sheep, so your impression is wrong. I understand the argument that those who think if MPs change parties they ought to resign and that it is a widely held opinion. My view, which is I think shared by most MPs, is if it ever became mandatory, or even habitual, for an MP to do so then the whole basis of our Parliamentary democracy would change. Every MP would then be totally controlled by their party and it would relegate their roles to being mere functionaries. It would mean the party outside of Parliament dictating what the MPs must do. We want our MPs deciding. You might want the party in control but think of the future. Imagine a Labour government controlled by a Labour Party taken over by Marxists. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 24 Oct 19 10.50am

Originally posted by the silurian

so you are saying that you vote for the personality rather than the party at a GE? Really? I was under the impression that you vote for the party you support. When I voted, it was for the person representing the party, not because he /she was a jolly good chap..

You can decide on whatever basis you like. That's your choice and your right. What you get though is an individual MP and not a lobby sheep, so your impression is wrong.

I understand the argument that those who think if MPs change parties they ought to resign and that it is a widely held opinion. My view, which is I think shared by most MPs, is if it ever became mandatory, or even habitual, for an MP to do so then the whole basis of our Parliamentary democracy would change. Every MP would then be totally controlled by their party and it would relegate their roles to being mere functionaries. It would mean the party outside of Parliament dictating what the MPs must do. We want our MPs deciding.

You might want the party in control but think of the future. Imagine a Labour government controlled by a Labour Party taken over by Marxists.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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steeleye20 Croydon 24 Oct 19 10.51am
Originally posted by susmik It is purely a joke between Steely and myself so why it concerns you I do not know! Ibuprofen back on the shelves at tesco, so brexit won't be happening..... In my case the Doctors decided any further medication was useless, and directed me to a well-known football forum. The rest is history.
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Croydon 24 Oct 19 10.51am

Originally posted by susmik

It is purely a joke between Steely and myself so why it concerns you I do not know!

Ibuprofen back on the shelves at tesco, so brexit won't be happening.....

In my case the Doctors decided any further medication was useless, and directed me to a well-known football forum.

The rest is history.

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steeleye20 Croydon 24 Oct 19 10.52am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Fair play, I’ve never seen someone more committed to a s*** joke - geezer must’ve referred to taking medication at least 20 times by now. It’s like in school when you discover ‘your mum’ - rinse and repeat. I'll put that fiver in the post.
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Croydon 24 Oct 19 10.52am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Fair play, I’ve never seen someone more committed to a s*** joke - geezer must’ve referred to taking medication at least 20 times by now.

It’s like in school when you discover ‘your mum’ - rinse and repeat.

I'll put that fiver in the post.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Oct 19 11.10am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You can decide on whatever basis you like. That's your choice and your right. What you get though is an individual MP and not a lobby sheep, so your impression is wrong. I understand the argument that those who think if MPs change parties they ought to resign and that it is a widely held opinion. My view, which is I think shared by most MPs, is if it ever became mandatory, or even habitual, for an MP to do so then the whole basis of our Parliamentary democracy would change. Every MP would then be totally controlled by their party and it would relegate their roles to being mere functionaries. It would mean the party outside of Parliament dictating what the MPs must do. We want our MPs deciding. You might want the party in control but think of the future. Imagine a Labour government controlled by a Labour Party taken over by Marxists. In the final analysis, candidates standing for election stand under a party banner (Independents excepted) and they receive all the support of their local party in distributing leaflets, erection of posters etc etc, I know this only too well as I have carried out such activities for as long as I can remember! These candidates are not divorced from their respective parties, they stand under a party banner as they agree with their policies and principles in the main whilst of course having the latitude to vote according to their conscience unless of course they are "Whipped" in a different direction. Finally on the gargantuan number of occasion I have knocked on doors, experience has shown that residents do NOT talk about any individuals and all the talk is about parties and party policy. Apropos your final comment, The Labour Party has been taken over by marxists, there are well-known marxists on their front bench but how they run their party is a matter for them.We are not likely to find out for some time,how they influence a Labour government. Edited by Willo (24 Oct 2019 11.20am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Oct 19 11.10am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You can decide on whatever basis you like. That's your choice and your right. What you get though is an individual MP and not a lobby sheep, so your impression is wrong.

You might want the party in control but think of the future. Imagine a Labour government controlled by a Labour Party taken over by Marxists.

In the final analysis, candidates standing for election stand under a party banner (Independents excepted) and they receive all the support of their local party in distributing leaflets, erection of posters etc etc, I know this only too well as I have carried out such activities for as long as I can remember!

These candidates are not divorced from their respective parties, they stand under a party banner as they agree with their policies and principles in the main whilst of course having the latitude to vote according to their conscience unless of course they are "Whipped" in a different direction.

Finally on the gargantuan number of occasion I have knocked on doors, experience has shown that residents do NOT talk about any individuals and all the talk is about parties and party policy.
Apropos your final comment, The Labour Party has been taken over by marxists, there are well-known marxists on their front bench but how they run their party is a matter for them.We are not likely to find out for some time,how they influence a Labour government.

Edited by Willo (24 Oct 2019 11.20am)

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Midlands Eagle 24 Oct 19 11.14am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I understand the argument that those who think if MPs change parties they ought to resign and that it is a widely held opinion. My view, which is I think shared by most MPs, is if it ever became mandatory, or even habitual, for an MP to do so then the whole basis of our Parliamentary democracy would change. It's not surprising that most MPs would be against having to resign if they changed parties mid term just as it isn't surprising that turkeys would prefer to scrap Christmas celebrations. Parliament is supposed to act in the best interests of the people and not the best interests of themselves and if the people want a by election to be held if an MP switches parties then that is what should happen. Let's have a referendum on it
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24 Oct 19 11.14am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's not surprising that most MPs would be against having to resign if they changed parties mid term just as it isn't surprising that turkeys would prefer to scrap Christmas celebrations.

Parliament is supposed to act in the best interests of the people and not the best interests of themselves and if the people want a by election to be held if an MP switches parties then that is what should happen.

Let's have a referendum on it

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Oct 19 11.29am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle LMAO. Thought you were all about the "will of the people" Hrolf? Apparently only if their will matches yours. Give the people a say, based on now actually knowing what Brexit looks like. How is remaining in the EU not implementable, sunshine, its the f&cking status quo so its already implemented!!! Hahah. It's just the same as leaving in terms of Parliament. The only thing stopping us leaving are Remainers. Please stop with this self delusion that leaving itself is the problem.
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