Haha.

Trump is toast.

But there is a thread for that.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

How can the impact of brexit be known?
We havent left yet.
The impact of all this tossing around is known.
As I have asked before and not been replied to, what is the impact if we remain?
What is the EUs plan for the next say 10 years?
Will that be good for the uk?

so you are saying that you vote for the personality rather than the party at a GE? Really? I was under the impression that you vote for the party you support. When I voted, it was for the person representing the party, not because he /she was a jolly good chap..

In a perfect world WE is right. However how many people even know the name of their MP let alone what they have done for their community. This is why political parties came into being most of us vote for the party not the person because we don't have time to research it. I suspect that many voters are actually voting for the party leader even though they are not on the ballot paper except in one location.

I just find it ironic that the MPs who have switched parties wan a confirmatory referendum because "we now know a lot more since 2016" however they don't believe that the public should be given a confirmatory vote on them changing parties. Funny that, if I was one of Anna Sourbry's voters I would be telling her that in light of recent events I now know more about her and realise I want to change my vote.

One more point

Well quite.

Of all the spurious nonsense written by R2's, it is this one that is the most dangerous. That somehow how Leaves margin of victory was not enough. LOL.

And why they are SO dangerous. Because if they get their way and we do not leave the EU, invalidating the result of the 2016 election, then a huge blow is inflicted on people's faith in our system. And not just on the 17.4 million. I know plenty of people who voted Remain in 2016 who believe the result should be implemented because they grasp the basic concept of how democracy works in terms of deciding elections. Along with sowing the seeds of perhaps the most dangerous and unpredictable political direction of English nationalism. Because after all, England voted to leave the EU. I think outside of London then every English region voted Leave (happy to be corrected on that btw).

Leaving the door open for people to emerge and able to make the claim, with justification, that voting changes nothing. That other action is required.

52 beats 48. There is no fudging that or claiming it as being to close to call. Leave won by a clear margin. No recounts, no claims that the votes were not, on the whole, fairly cast or counted. A straight forward majority.

And to try and dismiss that is beyond foolish.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

The initial prorogation was supposedly about the Queen’s Speech when everyone knew it wasn’t so what’s the point in anyone pretending otherwise?

Anyway, the vast majority of MPs who voted against the timetable said, quite rightly, because it’s nowhere near enough time to pass one of the most important pieces of legislation in modern history.