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 steeleye20  Croydon 23 Oct 19 12.30pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Johnson on top form in PMQs That is somewhat generous of you!! "The prime minister told the House there would be no checks on good moving between Great Britain and Northern Ireland," says Jeremy Corbyn. "Yesterday the Brexit Secretary confirmed that Northern Ireland businesses would have to complete export declaration forms. "Is the PM right or is the Brexit Secretary right?", he asks. Boris Johnson replies: "There will be no checks between Northern Ireland and Great Britain." Is the PM or Mr Corbyn right? I don't think Johnson knows his arse from his elbow.
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| Matov 23 Oct 19 12.44pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
To my mind it is a total waste of time engaging with Corbyn in relation to progressing Brexit as he has no desire whatsover for wanting a Tory-led Brexit coming to pass.He doesn't want Johnson to be able to state "I have delivered Brexit". Edited by Willo (23 Oct 2019 11.48am) On the other hand, fighting an election on a narrative that Labour has stifled Brexit might be even more damaging. I would guess that the thinking is that if Brexit is done then the GE can be fought on other issues. There is a logic to their stance because despite all the Remainer bulls*** the reality remains that most people want Brexit done and dusted, not reversed. And that constituency break down of both the Brexit vote and the Euro elections must be the cause of many a sleepless night for Labour strategists. Again, ignore the Remainer hysteria and look at the hard numbers. Tells the tale of why Labour do not want to fight an election with Brexit as the main issue.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Oct 19 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Johnson on top form in PMQs I didn't. I thought the questioning was weak but his replies worse. Predicable, scripted half truths without any direct relevance to the questions. PMQs don't look like a comfortable place for Johnson to me.
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| daven Hailsham 23 Oct 19 1.04pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Another person claiming to speak for everybody.
There is a logic to their stance because despite all the Remainer bulls*** the reality remains that most people want Brexit done and dusted, not reversed. And that constituency break down of both the Brexit vote and the Euro elections must be the cause of many a sleepless night for Labour strategists. Again, ignore the Remainer hysteria and look at the hard numbers. Tells the tale of why Labour do not want to fight an election with Brexit as the main issue.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Oct 19 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
On the other hand, fighting an election on a narrative that Labour has stifled Brexit might be even more damaging. I would guess that the thinking is that if Brexit is done then the GE can be fought on other issues. It's actually in every party's interest to "get it done" if they believe they can form, or be part of, the next government. That way they can take charge of the detailed negotiations and possibly even repeal the Brexit legislation and start afresh with the EU to negotiate a softer deal. Nothing actually changes until the transition period expires. Winning the GE is the key to what a new Parliament will do. There is a logic to their stance because despite all the Remainer bulls*** the reality remains that most people want Brexit done and dusted, not reversed. That's not completely true. Most people are tired of it and want it finished, but many would like to see the whole thing abandoned and therefore "done and dusted" in that way. If the opinion polls are to be believed there are actually now more people who want us to remain than leave. And that constituency break down of both the Brexit vote and the Euro elections must be the cause of many a sleepless night for Labour strategists. Again, ignore the Remainer hysteria and look at the hard numbers. Tells the tale of why Labour do not want to fight an election with Brexit as the main issue. Labour are the key to all of this, and have always been so. All these problems can be traced back to the formation of "Momentum" and their shoe horning of Corbyn in as leader. Without that and the mess it has created I doubt whether there would have ever been a referendum. Dumping Corbyn, moving swiftly back to the centre, embracing an unequivocal remain stance whilst promising substantive negotiations over free movement opt outs might just save them. And us.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 23 Oct 19 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I didn't. I thought the questioning was weak but his replies worse. Predicable, scripted half truths without any direct relevance to the questions. PMQs don't look like a comfortable place for Johnson to me. The fact that the questioning was weak made it pretty comfortable. Seemed in a jovial mood. He was procrastinating off the cuff pretty well. Complete night and day to May. He is, in reality, a buffoon but he does seem to be someone that takes great pleasure in regularly getting behind the wheel of the Etonian banterbus.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Oct 19 1.17pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I didn't. I thought the questioning was weak but his replies worse. Predicable, scripted half truths without any direct relevance to the questions. PMQs don't look like a comfortable place for Johnson to me. Johnson has not got his deal passed by the HOC, far from it, it is only the second reading. It was only approved by members voting tactically so they can apply their amendments to it at this stage. Now they can scrutinise it the will soon find what a load of old cobblers it is, not least that it appears to be joining the EU not leaving it. All stages have to be passed and the legislation done before the HOC gives approval by 'meaningful vote'. I don't actually think Johnson knows much about his own bill. If we stay as we are then we will be far better off.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Oct 19 1.17pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
That is somewhat generous of you!! "The prime minister told the House there would be no checks on good moving between Great Britain and Northern Ireland," says Jeremy Corbyn. "Yesterday the Brexit Secretary confirmed that Northern Ireland businesses would have to complete export declaration forms. "Is the PM right or is the Brexit Secretary right?", he asks. Boris Johnson replies: "There will be no checks between Northern Ireland and Great Britain." Is the PM or Mr Corbyn right? I don't think Johnson knows his arse from his elbow.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Oct 19 1.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I didn't. I thought the questioning was weak but his replies worse. Predicable, scripted half truths without any direct relevance to the questions. PMQs don't look like a comfortable place for Johnson to me. Labourite spectacles.
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| robdave2k 23 Oct 19 1.25pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I would also suggest Truro is not taking the same hit that other parts of the country do with immigration. It isn't but maybe that enables the people here not to be blindsided by it. Immigration won't decrease because of Brexit. The source of the immigrants might change though. Your choice of language is interesting Blindsided - make (someone) unable to perceive the truth of a situation. So you are stating what you know is truth yet the rest of us mere Maybe I could argue against the Coastguard, because I don’t need them in Northamptonshire half as much as you do in Cornwall. But I wouldn’t presume to lecture someone that I’m right over that as i accept there is a problem elsewhere! Edited by robdave2k (23 Oct 2019 1.26pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Oct 19 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
Your choice of language is interesting Blindsided - make (someone) unable to perceive the truth of a situation. So you are stating what you know is truth yet the rest of us mere Maybe I could argue against the Coastguard, because I don’t need them in Northamptonshire half as much as you do in Cornwall. But I wouldn’t presume to lecture someone that I’m right over that as i accept there is a problem elsewhere! Edited by robdave2k (23 Oct 2019 1.26pm) I think you might be surprised at quite how many recent immigrants we have here. Like many other places we have seen a big inflow from eastern Europe in recent years who are working in many segments of the economy, not least agriculture. What we haven't seen is too much from elsewhere, so they don't look obvious. Indeed until you hear them speaking to each other in social situations you often don't know they are immigrants. I have no expectation that our need for immigration will decrease because of Brexit, only that the sources will likely be different. That's what I mean by being blindsided. That there will be change but quite possible a change that you won't actually like.
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Teddy Eagle  23 Oct 19 2.20pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think you might be surprised at quite how many recent immigrants we have here. Like many other places we have seen a big inflow from eastern Europe in recent years who are working in many segments of the economy, not least agriculture. What we haven't seen is too much from elsewhere, so they don't look obvious. Indeed until you hear them speaking to each other in social situations you often don't know they are immigrants. I have no expectation that our need for immigration will decrease because of Brexit, only that the sources will likely be different. That's what I mean by being blindsided. That there will be change but quite possible a change that you won't actually like. So who did these jobs until this recent “inflow” and what are they doing now?
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