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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Oct 19 9.59am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think your conclusion is right. I have thought for quite a while now, well before this "deal" was finalised, that what was happening was really just electioneering and positioning ready for a GE. All sides are doing it. Johnson will present himself as a martyr to the cause, as a hero who managed to get a deal but was stopped from doing it by a recalcitrant Parliament. How many Brexit Party sympathisers will now vote Tory is critical but unclear to someone like me Labour are in a huge mess and have no cohesive plan to get anywhere unless they dump Corbyn and regroup quickly. The LibDems will do well with those who want to remain. The SNP will sweep the floor in Scotland. There are obviously a range of outcomes dependent on events as yet unknown. A hung Parliament and a coalition looks the most likely one, but where the balance will be is a puzzle. It really is all to play for. Apart from a majority Labour government this will be the next worst scenario. Edited by Willo (23 Oct 2019 10.05am)
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 Hrolf The Ganger 23 Oct 19 10.00am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not at all. You are seeing insults where they don't exist, which is interesting of itself. I am sure that many who don't think the same way as me can be opened minded on many subjects, and would have no concerns about semantics, like the use of particular terms. Believe me. I'm very open minded, but you shouldn't confuse that with gullible.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Oct 19 10.04am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
WE you have cornered the market in HOL insults, I hardly get any these days. I must be doing something wrong....
Oh well, it's just as well that my back is more impervious than any duck! Now where can I sell all these insults. After Brexit we will all need to find new income streams. Where's Dell Boy when you need him. It's amazing though just how thin skinned some on the "other side" are to the mildest of sarcastic criticism. Hand it out in buckets but cannot take an egg cup back without getting on their high horse.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Oct 19 10.09am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Apart from a majority Labour government this will be the next worst scenario. Edited by Willo (23 Oct 2019 10.05am) I am quite sure that message will be delivered loud and clear by the Tories ad nauseam. Right now I expect them to win an overall majority, with most Brexit Party votes draining back to them.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Oct 19 10.20am |
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Let's keep it as it is. A minority government is limited in what harm it can do. I actually prefer no government at all, how about proroguing it for a year.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Oct 19 10.25am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am quite sure that message will be delivered loud and clear by the Tories ad nauseam. Right now I expect them to win an overall majority, with most Brexit Party votes draining back to them. The polls are pointing to a decent Conservative majority but I take them with a 'Pinch of salt' at this juncture because there are so many variables at play.The polls at the last GE pointed to a comfortable Conservative majority and we all know what happened! As you asserted the Brexit Party votes might well drain back to the Conservatives but Farage might argue that Brexit has NOT been delivered after over 3 years and that the Johnson deal with the EU is really a BRINO and this could resonate with Brexiteers who might be considering switching back to the Conservatives. I'm certainly not counting any chickens - we live in uncertain times.
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| Matov 23 Oct 19 10.56am |
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Originally posted by Willo
I'm certainly not counting any chickens - we live in uncertain times. Uncertain? LOL. We are through the looking glass with regards to politics. Nothing is as it is meant to be. If they do call an election then it might offer us a much needed reset but until they do, I refuse to believe it.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Oct 19 11.08am |
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Originally posted by Matov
Uncertain? LOL. We are through the looking glass with regards to politics. Nothing is as it is meant to be. If they do call an election then it might offer us a much needed reset but until they do, I refuse to believe it. If Johnson calls for an election it is uncertain he will be granted one owing to the terms of the Fixed Term Parliament Act. If the EU grant a lengthy extension, Johnson will call for a GE but if they grant a very short extension as they are fedup with the continued impasse, the picure would be very different.If the EU does not grant an extension, which seems highly unlikely, Johnson will feel he has hit the jackpot.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 23 Oct 19 11.22am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Let's keep it as it is. A minority government is limited in what harm it can do. I actually prefer no government at all, how about proroguing it for a year.
And they say you don't have a sense of humour. Can I come and protest outside your house and complain that you are a danger to democracy and then refuse to vote for a GE? On a more serious note this Parliament is constipated aside from the rude jokes there are plenty of important issues not being dealt with. As you hint if this continues you do wonder what good Parliament actually does and will we miss them.
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| Matov 23 Oct 19 11.41am |
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Seeing claims that Johnson and Corbyn are meeting to discuss how to progress Brexit. Not sure how that is going to work although it is obvious that many Labour MP's are bottling an election.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Oct 19 11.48am |
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Originally posted by Matov
Seeing claims that Johnson and Corbyn are meeting to discuss how to progress Brexit. Not sure how that is going to work although it is obvious that many Labour MP's are bottling an election. To my mind it is a total waste of time engaging with Corbyn in relation to progressing Brexit as he has no desire whatsover for wanting a Tory-led Brexit coming to pass.He doesn't want Johnson to be able to state "I have delivered Brexit". Edited by Willo (23 Oct 2019 11.48am)
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 23 Oct 19 12.28pm |
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Johnson on top form in PMQs
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
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