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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 20 8.21am | |
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap
In WB eyes he is guilty until proven innocent. The intolerant wb who,knew!!
I have already told you, in very specific and unambiguous words, that is completely untrue. Everyone, even scumbags like "Robinson" require a presumption of innocence to apply unless and until proven guilty.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 20 8.36am | |
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I am often accused of living in a "in a filtered white wealthy area of the country" to quote the most recent example. Now it is true that we don't appear to have as high a level of immigration from Asia as some other regions but we still have a lot of new comers, particularly from Eastern Europe. They just aren't as obvious. We are also hardly "wealthy". Only this week this article was published which highlighted some of the problems and why, in the effort of revitalise the old industrial north, places like Cornwall must not be forgotten. This is a low wage economy with many areas of deprivation producing their own challenges. It isn't all cream teas and surfing.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 20 8.49am | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
1.So you agree the child grooming gangs are mainly from Asian/muslim/pakistani communities. I fail to see how you reach that conclusion from my comment. I have already explained my position many times.
If found guilty, yes. Everytime someone accuses them, no. Yet you still can't bring it to your self that being asian/pakistani/muslim is the problem. No-one should ever accuse anyone that being born in, or having parents from, Asia or pakistan or being "Muslim" is a "problem". Criminals are problems. People are people and innocent until proven guilty.
Then he is a nutcase who will soon find that such a ludicrous defence won't last a moment. [Link] Never listen let alone call. What is more depressing and worrying is that you wouldn't save more girls from rape by targeting Asian/Muslim/pakistani men because it appears racist and would let this carry on. I, and I trust the Police, target criminals without any regard for their background. That isn't to say that where a pattern exists the Police won't establish it and base their enquiries on it.
Edited by dannyboy1978 (08 Mar 2020 7.19am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 20 9.02am | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Wisbech, have a look at this girls face I hope it makes you change your mind. From reading this it basically is saying girls under 9 is a no go for sexual intercourse. [Link] Another muslim country with large communities in the UK. "Religion happens to be the most convenient tool for the reactionary right in pakistan when it comes to sanctioning their perversions" [Link] Having looked at these excamples it would be nice for you to reflect on your thinking and agree religion does play a large part in British grooming gangs. It Would make you the bigger men. Child marriage is an awful thing. Give thanks it isn't permitted here and that we, and the rest of the western world, is trying hard to educate those who still permit it. Some developing countries have a lot of catching up to do. None of that though has anything at all to do with how we respond to the grooming gang issue. It might well be, and almost certainly is, a factor in the minds of those criminals who commit the crimes. They though ARE committing the crimes here in the UK where our system of justice applies. That demands that whilst such things are criminal, those who commit them are as entitled to be treated in exactly the same way as everybody else. You (and the Sun, Express Mail etc) might want to classify people as Asian, pakistani or Muslim but the law does not allow that. They are either criminals or innocent men. You cannot be found guilty of being Asian, pakistani or Muslim. You can only be found guilty of a crime.
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Stirlingsays 08 Mar 20 9.06am | |
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Yet another lie.....He lives in a relatively wealthy part of the country with house prices higher than the national average. He tries to pretend that because Cornwall also includes less well off areas that this also means that when I say he lives in a filtered white and wealthy area that this isn't true. The average house price value in Truro is £349,291
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 20 9.10am | |
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Originally posted by the silurian
So if it was your 8 year old daughter getting groped, you would calmly wait for a policeman to come and sort it out, would you? Most men would have to be stopped from killing the offender, I know I would ! You on the other hand would simply stand and watch, do nothing and then apologise to him!! Unbelievable Wissy, unbelievable!! Edited by the silurian (08 Mar 2020 8.16am) Unless I was faced with the precise circumstances I don't know exactly how I would respond but it certainly would not involve any kind of physical retribution. I would concentrate on my daughter if she had been traumatised. Only when she was secure would I make a complaint and request those responsible to either detain the alleged abuser or call the Police. Confrontations and outbursts inevitably make things worse. Staying in control and thinking before taking action almost always achieves a better outcome. In "Robinson's" case he ended up being arrested himself and then showed surprise at being so. They way he responded made that inevitable.
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 08 Mar 20 9.12am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Child marriage is an awful thing. Give thanks it isn't permitted here and that we, and the rest of the western world, is trying hard to educate those who still permit it. Some developing countries have a lot of catching up to do. None of that though has anything at all to do with how we respond to the grooming gang issue. It might well be, and almost certainly is, a factor in the minds of those criminals who commit the crimes. They though ARE committing the crimes here in the UK where our system of justice applies. That demands that whilst such things are criminal, those who commit them are as entitled to be treated in exactly the same way as everybody else. You (and the Sun, Express Mail etc) might want to classify people as Asian, pakistani or Muslim but the law does not allow that. They are either criminals or innocent men. You cannot be found guilty of being Asian, pakistani or Muslim. You can only be found guilty of a crime. Classify people as asian/pakistani/muslim?? What are you on about? IF they are asian /pakistani or muslim then say so, whats wrong with that? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck it probably is a duck...British/european do not indulge in child marriage/rape of children (in most cases), asian, muslim pakistani do, so if they live in uk they must follow uk rules/laws...or do you think they should be allowed to do as they wish?? You are a strange priveleged person wissy, very strange! Edited by the silurian (08 Mar 2020 9.16am)
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 08 Mar 20 9.15am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Unless I was faced with the precise circumstances I don't know exactly how I would respond but it certainly would not involve any kind of physical retribution. I would concentrate on my daughter if she had been traumatised. Only when she was secure would I make a complaint and request those responsible to either detain the alleged abuser or call the Police. Confrontations and outbursts inevitably make things worse. Staying in control and thinking before taking action almost always achieves a better outcome. In "Robinson's" case he ended up being arrested himself and then showed surprise at being so. They way he responded made that inevitable. and the perpetrator is away in the wind...did he get arrested( on suspicion at least)??? You know as well as we do that nothing will happen to the perpetrator, because they have TR and in the minds of the police thats what matters
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Mapletree Croydon 08 Mar 20 9.18am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle But what would you do if you were in that position when your children were younger? According to the incredible volume of pro ‘Robinson’ social media a man admitted touching Yaxley-Lennon’s daughter in front of witnesses. In that case, especially as apparently his daughter was in great distress, I would have called the Police or security. It is curious this happened to him, something I would think immensely rare.
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dannyboy1978 08 Mar 20 9.39am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think your missing the point. You basically want to just arrest people after the event while most people see a problem and want to deal with it a source. Why would we continue importing a group of people when they have prooved in large percentages to be a problem to Britain and young girls in particular?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Mar 20 9.39am | |
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More misrepresentation. The average value of properties sold in Nov 19 in the Truro area (the latest figure) was just over £270,000. In fact, although my postcode puts me in Truro, I live closer to Redruth. The average there is just £163,000. That compares with the average in England at £230,000, with Croydon being around £380,000. Even poor old deprived Wisbech at £209,000 is higher than Redruth.
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Stirlingsays 08 Mar 20 9.42am | |
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If someone had groped my daughter I would have done precisely what Robinson did and so would any self respecting male who wasn't an utter wimp. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2020 9.46am)
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