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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Mar 15 1.16pm
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legaleagle 28 Mar 15 1.34pm
Willo seems pretty politically active, and you are... Anyone else?
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28 Mar 15 1.34pm

Willo seems pretty politically active, and you are...

Anyone else?

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Seth On a pale blue dot 28 Mar 15 1.35pm
Quote nickgusset at 28 Mar 2015 1.16pm How politically active are the contributors to this thread? Do you mean beyond spouting bollocks on a football messageboard to a captive audience? Your guess is as good as mine nick... "You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down" FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16
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On a pale blue dot 28 Mar 15 1.35pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Mar 2015 1.16pm

How politically active are the contributors to this thread?

Do you mean beyond spouting bollocks on a football messageboard to a captive audience?

Your guess is as good as mine nick...

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 28 Mar 15 1.45pm
Quote legaleagle at 28 Mar 2015 1.15pm I think you may mistake sarcasm for sensitivity,mate.Actually I thought your post I responded to was perfectly reasonable... Let's put it this way:I am genuinely undecided.But it definitely won't be Tory, Lib Dem, or UKIP! .I may even not vote on the principle any vote would be more negative than positive, given I find it hard to feel passionate overall about Labour or the Greens ...though I was formerly a Labour Party member until during the Blair years and I bear in mind the saying of Richard Neville,one of the founders of OZ magazine imprisoned for "obscenity" in about 1971..."there may only be an inch of difference between the main parties..but its that inch we live in". Edited by legaleagle (28 Mar 2015 1.26pm) And therein my friend lies the problem. No solutions, just indifference and indecisiveness. Like a rudderless ship floating on the sea of ambivalence. Yes it’s fashionable and easy to knock ukip, but I would rather be unfashionable and have more places in the local schools for my children, affordable house prices for our youngsters, British workers being paid a fair living wage to support their family’s instead of being undercut by foreign workers who send their money out of the country, less waiting time at the NHS instead of sitting in waiting rooms full of people who can’t speak English. Now I’m sure this will infuriate many on here, but before you shout me down I would point out that my granddad was from the Caribbean so I am not some racist, just a realist who understands that an open door immigration policy is a downward spiral to turning the UK a third world country. Still, i'm sure the greens will solve all of the above lmfho "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Quote legaleagle at 28 Mar 2015 1.15pm

I think you may mistake sarcasm for sensitivity,mate.Actually I thought your post I responded to was perfectly reasonable...

Let's put it this way:I am genuinely undecided.But it definitely won't be Tory, Lib Dem, or UKIP! .I may even not vote on the principle any vote would be more negative than positive, given I find it hard to feel passionate overall about Labour or the Greens ...though I was formerly a Labour Party member until during the Blair years and I bear in mind the saying of Richard Neville,one of the founders of OZ magazine imprisoned for "obscenity" in about 1971..."there may only be an inch of difference between the main parties..but its that inch we live in".

Edited by legaleagle (28 Mar 2015 1.26pm)

And therein my friend lies the problem. No solutions, just indifference and indecisiveness. Like a rudderless ship floating on the sea of ambivalence.

Yes it’s fashionable and easy to knock ukip, but I would rather be unfashionable and have more places in the local schools for my children, affordable house prices for our youngsters, British workers being paid a fair living wage to support their family’s instead of being undercut by foreign workers who send their money out of the country, less waiting time at the NHS instead of sitting in waiting rooms full of people who can’t speak English. Now I’m sure this will infuriate many on here, but before you shout me down I would point out that my granddad was from the Caribbean so I am not some racist, just a realist who understands that an open door immigration policy is a downward spiral to turning the UK a third world country.
Still, i'm sure the greens will solve all of the above lmfho

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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legaleagle 28 Mar 15 1.59pm
And therein lies the actual problem IMHO.Pro-UKIP seen by you as decisive and a "solution". Anti-UKIP seen as not being a solution.You are entitled of course to your opinion and where you put your vote.But,to then put down anyone of an opposite view who is not a ukipper or a Tory, and is not enamoured particularly of the current Labour Party or Greens as being "indifferent" is plain silly IMO. Not wanting to embrace what to me is the patent pile of sh1t or mutton dressed up as lamb that UKIP is does not automatically equate to indecisiveness and indifference.As for "indecisiveness" do get real: UKIP is one of the best recent examples around of a party chopping and changing its position on various policies (including immigration) seemingly at whim on a regular basis. You put your own spin on things.If it fits your analysis and is tunnel visioned in being committed unequivocally to one of the most popular 5 parties (and preferably the one you will be voting for)five weeks before an election, its decisive and caring,if not its the opposite... As to whether the more "extreme" "right" of the "right wing" (ie UKIP/right wing of the Tories)being in the ascendancy would actually result long term in school places and meaningful jobs coupled with the NHS being "safe in their hands" and overall increased equality of opportunity is very much a matter of opinion. Edited by legaleagle (28 Mar 2015 2.11pm)
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And therein lies the actual problem IMHO.Pro-UKIP seen by you as decisive and a "solution". Anti-UKIP seen as not being a solution.You are entitled of course to your opinion and where you put your vote.But,to then put down anyone of an opposite view who is not a ukipper or a Tory, and is not enamoured particularly of the current Labour Party or Greens as being "indifferent" is plain silly IMO.

Not wanting to embrace what to me is the patent pile of sh1t or mutton dressed up as lamb that UKIP is does not automatically equate to indecisiveness and indifference.As for "indecisiveness" do get real: UKIP is one of the best recent examples around of a party chopping and changing its position on various policies (including immigration) seemingly at whim on a regular basis.

You put your own spin on things.If it fits your analysis and is tunnel visioned in being committed unequivocally to one of the most popular 5 parties (and preferably the one you will be voting for)five weeks before an election, its decisive and caring,if not its the opposite...

As to whether the more "extreme" "right" of the "right wing" (ie UKIP/right wing of the Tories)being in the ascendancy would actually result long term in school places and meaningful jobs coupled with the NHS being "safe in their hands" and overall increased equality of opportunity is very much a matter of opinion.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 28 Mar 15 8.14pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 28 Mar 2015 12.19am Quote pefwin at 27 Mar 2015 10.30pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 27 Mar 2015 2.28pm So are there any specific examples of ethnic minorities playing the race card? There plenty that you can google; however the two that rankle me the most are: 1 From a lecturer at Brixton college, albeit a few years ago, you can't be racist if you are black due to the oppression [sic slavery] by the white man. Sorry but no. 2 A recent personal one was my 6 year old son was told by a boy that they could not be friends because he is white. That was pretty difficult to explain as concepts like racism and truly evil don't exist in his world. I hate people who discriminate grrrr! Ok I'm gonna set two rules. 1) Anecdotal evidence doesn't count. Anyone can make up a story so unless you have actual evidence I'm sorry I don't believe you. No one has ever won an argument by making up a story 2) I've asked the question, don't insult me by asking me to do the googling for you. If you have evidence, show me. It's a very simple request. So again... Any evidence from anyone that entire ethnic minorities have played the race card? A 'lecturer from Brixton College' is not an ethnic minority Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (28 Mar 2015 12.46am) Neither were anecdotal. I live with both victims, if you include my wife's education. I suspect you are a denier. No ethnic majority or minority work in concert like that the closest you get is say Rwanda. Please don't insult me my making up what you call rules but are really your petty prejudices wrapped up in mock indignation. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 28 Mar 15 8.14pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 28 Mar 2015 12.19am

Quote pefwin at 27 Mar 2015 10.30pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 27 Mar 2015 2.28pm

So are there any specific examples of ethnic minorities playing the race card?

There plenty that you can google; however the two that rankle me the most are:

1 From a lecturer at Brixton college, albeit a few years ago, you can't be racist if you are black due to the oppression [sic slavery] by the white man. Sorry but no.

2 A recent personal one was my 6 year old son was told by a boy that they could not be friends because he is white. That was pretty difficult to explain as concepts like racism and truly evil don't exist in his world.

I hate people who discriminate grrrr!

Ok I'm gonna set two rules.

1) Anecdotal evidence doesn't count. Anyone can make up a story so unless you have actual evidence I'm sorry I don't believe you. No one has ever won an argument by making up a story

2) I've asked the question, don't insult me by asking me to do the googling for you. If you have evidence, show me. It's a very simple request.

So
again... Any evidence from anyone that entire ethnic minorities have played the race card? A 'lecturer from Brixton College' is not an ethnic minority

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (28 Mar 2015 12.46am)

Neither were anecdotal. I live with both victims, if you include my wife's education. I suspect you are a denier.

No ethnic majority or minority work in concert like that the closest you get is say Rwanda.

Please don't insult me my making up what you call rules but are really your petty prejudices wrapped up in mock indignation.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 28 Mar 15 9.16pm
Quote crystal balls at 28 Mar 2015 12.28pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Mar 2015 10.14am Quote matt_himself at 28 Mar 2015 10.08am Quote crystal balls at 28 Mar 2015 9.58am Quote matt_himself at 28 Mar 2015 8.15am Quote crystal balls at 28 Mar 2015 5.27am Quote Tom-the-eagle at 27 Mar 2015 7.32pm Quote Willo at 27 Mar 2015 7.16pm Quote imbored at 27 Mar 2015 6.35pm Farage will revel in taking part and will outperform everyone I think. Somebody on here mentioned that Cameron kept mentioning the economy. All you will get from Farage is the EU and immigration.What are their policies on the economy, NHS,Education, Law and Order etc etc ? Will they stand up to intense scrutiny ? Will Farage be their lone spokesman in the election campaign or will they dare to unleash some of the others other than their current two MPs Carswell and Reckless? Fascinating ! Edited by Willo (27 Mar 2015 7.17pm) I'm sure Farage will do just fine speaking about the economy. After all, being a former stockbroker he does have some first-hand experience on the matter as opposed to the others who are just career politicians. Farage wasn't a "stockbroker" (though his father was), he was a commodities trader. This basically involves betting on the future prices of various commodities; he tended to specialise in metals. Trading involves very much a gambler's mindset, and Farage apparently made some good bets and some bad ones, making and losing large sums for his employers. Working as a commodities trader confers no first-hand, second hand or even third hand experience of running a nations economy. The gambler's instinct has continued right up to the current election campaign. Farage has pledged that if he doesn't get elected as an MP in May he will resign as UKIP leader. He's put all his chips on red, and if black comes up he'll be gone, and so will UKIP. Wishful thinking Mr Balls. When Nige steps to one side, Douglas Carswell will lead UKiP. Carswell would be an excellent leader who would offer natural progression from Nige. You obviously like to get a boner from thinking that UKIP will all be over soon. It won't. Politics is only going to get more fragmented over the next few years and parties like UKiP and, unfortunately, the Greens, will be around for a while. Carswell; [Link] Fawlty; [Link] I believe he can do the silly walk as well! Edited by crystal balls (28 Mar 2015 10.00am) Edited by crystal balls (28 Mar 2015 10.02am) Cutting satire there, Balls. Tell me, who will you vote for? Like a lot of people on here Matt, many posters are keen to knock ukip but even keener to hide their own alliances as they don’t wish for their own parties to be ridiculed or questioned as they themselves are doing. Most when asked who they will vote for just give some vague answer about still being undecided. There really are some utter bell ends on here. I thought that this thread is about UKIP; posters with comments about UKIP both for and against? If you think they are the answer you can make your feelings known, if you don't think they are, surely you can comment accordingly? What appears to be indisputable is that polls have shown consistently for many months now that UKIP have support of about 12-14% of voters, which means that between 86 and 88% don't think they are fit to govern. This is likely to produce between 1 and 5 UKIP MPs, and they will finish second in around 100 constituencies. Unless Farage wins his seat, this is likely to be a high point for them. To make any real progress they would need some form of proportional representation to be introduced, which isn't likely to happen while Tories and Labour control things. I will be voting UKIP as will all my family. That does not mean we see the other party's as unfit to govern, Just that UKIP is a better choice for us. They will make a massive impact on the election. Whilst they have no chance of winning the more votes they get the quicker the other party's will start to adopt some of UKIP'S most sensible policies.
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Carparks in South East London 28 Mar 15 9.16pm

Quote crystal balls at 28 Mar 2015 12.28pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Mar 2015 10.14am

Quote matt_himself at 28 Mar 2015 10.08am

Quote crystal balls at 28 Mar 2015 9.58am

Quote matt_himself at 28 Mar 2015 8.15am

Quote crystal balls at 28 Mar 2015 5.27am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 27 Mar 2015 7.32pm

Quote Willo at 27 Mar 2015 7.16pm

Quote imbored at 27 Mar 2015 6.35pm

Farage will revel in taking part and will outperform everyone I think.

Somebody on here mentioned that Cameron kept mentioning the economy. All you will get from Farage is the EU and immigration.What are their policies on the economy, NHS,Education, Law and Order etc etc ? Will they stand up to intense scrutiny ? Will Farage be their lone spokesman in the election campaign or will they dare to unleash some of the others other than their current two MPs Carswell and Reckless? Fascinating !

Edited by Willo (27 Mar 2015 7.17pm)

I'm sure Farage will do just fine speaking about the economy. After all, being a former stockbroker he does have some first-hand experience on the matter as opposed to the others who are just career politicians.

Farage wasn't a "stockbroker" (though his father was), he was a commodities trader. This basically involves betting on the future prices of various commodities; he tended to specialise in metals. Trading involves very much a gambler's mindset, and Farage apparently made some good bets and some bad ones, making and losing large sums for his employers.

Working as a commodities trader confers no first-hand, second hand or even third hand experience of running a nations economy.

The gambler's instinct has continued right up to the current election campaign. Farage has pledged that if he doesn't get elected as an MP in May he will resign as UKIP leader. He's put all his chips on red, and if black comes up he'll be gone, and so will UKIP.

Wishful thinking Mr Balls.

When Nige steps to one side, Douglas Carswell will lead UKiP. Carswell would be an excellent leader who would offer natural progression from Nige.

You obviously like to get a boner from thinking that UKIP will all be over soon. It won't. Politics is only going to get more fragmented over the next few years and parties like UKiP and, unfortunately, the Greens, will be around for a while.

Carswell;

[Link]

Fawlty;

[Link]

I believe he can do the silly walk as well!

Edited by crystal balls (28 Mar 2015 10.00am)

Edited by crystal balls (28 Mar 2015 10.02am)

Cutting satire there, Balls.

Tell me, who will you vote for?

Like a lot of people on here Matt, many posters are keen to knock ukip but even keener to hide their own alliances as they don’t wish for their own parties to be ridiculed or questioned as they themselves are doing. Most when asked who they will vote for just give some vague answer about still being undecided. There really are some utter bell ends on here.

I thought that this thread is about UKIP; posters with comments about UKIP both for and against? If you think they are the answer you can make your feelings known, if you don't think they are, surely you can comment accordingly?

What appears to be indisputable is that polls have shown consistently for many months now that UKIP have support of about 12-14% of voters, which means that between 86 and 88% don't think they are fit to govern.

This is likely to produce between 1 and 5 UKIP MPs, and they will finish second in around 100 constituencies. Unless Farage wins his seat, this is likely to be a high point for them. To make any real progress they would need some form of proportional representation to be introduced, which isn't likely to happen while Tories and Labour control things.

I will be voting UKIP as will all my family. That does not mean we see the other party's as unfit to govern, Just that UKIP is a better choice for us. They will make a massive impact on the election. Whilst they have no chance of winning the more votes they get the quicker the other party's will start to adopt some of UKIP'S most sensible policies.

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 28 Mar 15 11.54pm
Quote pefwin at 28 Mar 2015 8.14pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 28 Mar 2015 12.19am Quote pefwin at 27 Mar 2015 10.30pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 27 Mar 2015 2.28pm So are there any specific examples of ethnic minorities playing the race card? There plenty that you can google; however the two that rankle me the most are: 1 From a lecturer at Brixton college, albeit a few years ago, you can't be racist if you are black due to the oppression [sic slavery] by the white man. Sorry but no. 2 A recent personal one was my 6 year old son was told by a boy that they could not be friends because he is white. That was pretty difficult to explain as concepts like racism and truly evil don't exist in his world. I hate people who discriminate grrrr! Ok I'm gonna set two rules. 1) Anecdotal evidence doesn't count. Anyone can make up a story so unless you have actual evidence I'm sorry I don't believe you. No one has ever won an argument by making up a story 2) I've asked the question, don't insult me by asking me to do the googling for you. If you have evidence, show me. It's a very simple request. So again... Any evidence from anyone that entire ethnic minorities have played the race card? A 'lecturer from Brixton College' is not an ethnic minority Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (28 Mar 2015 12.46am) Neither were anecdotal. I live with both victims, if you include my wife's education. I suspect you are a denier. No ethnic majority or minority work in concert like that the closest you get is say Rwanda. Please don't insult me my making up what you call rules but are really your petty prejudices wrapped up in mock indignation. I'm not sure you understand what anecdotal means.
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28 Mar 15 11.54pm

Quote pefwin at 28 Mar 2015 8.14pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 28 Mar 2015 12.19am

Quote pefwin at 27 Mar 2015 10.30pm

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 27 Mar 2015 2.28pm

So are there any specific examples of ethnic minorities playing the race card?

There plenty that you can google; however the two that rankle me the most are:

1 From a lecturer at Brixton college, albeit a few years ago, you can't be racist if you are black due to the oppression [sic slavery] by the white man. Sorry but no.

I hate people who discriminate grrrr!

Ok I'm gonna set two rules.

1) Anecdotal evidence doesn't count. Anyone can make up a story so unless you have actual evidence I'm sorry I don't believe you. No one has ever won an argument by making up a story

2) I've asked the question, don't insult me by asking me to do the googling for you. If you have evidence, show me. It's a very simple request.

So
again... Any evidence from anyone that entire ethnic minorities have played the race card? A 'lecturer from Brixton College' is not an ethnic minority

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (28 Mar 2015 12.46am)

Neither were anecdotal. I live with both victims, if you include my wife's education. I suspect you are a denier.

No ethnic majority or minority work in concert like that the closest you get is say Rwanda.

Please don't insult me my making up what you call rules but are really your petty prejudices wrapped up in mock indignation.

I'm not sure you understand what anecdotal means.

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matt_himself Matataland 29 Mar 15 8.06am
Quote nickgusset at 28 Mar 2015 1.16pm How politically active are the contributors to this thread? So, reading between the lines, what you saying, in typically superior way, is that if you aren't poitically active, you shouldn't voice political issues? As you keep reminding us, as 'divisional secretary' of the NUT and a contributor to such political heavyweight events such as bike rides against austerity, we are truely blessed to have you on here telling us what to think and keep trying to put us in our moral place because we are inferior beings to he likes of you. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote nickgusset at 28 Mar 2015 1.16pm

How politically active are the contributors to this thread?

So, reading between the lines, what you saying, in typically superior way, is that if you aren't poitically active, you shouldn't voice political issues?

As you keep reminding us, as 'divisional secretary' of the NUT and a contributor to such political heavyweight events such as bike rides against austerity, we are truely blessed to have you on here telling us what to think and keep trying to put us in our moral place because we are inferior beings to he likes of you.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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matt_himself Matataland 29 Mar 15 8.07am
Quote Seth at 28 Mar 2015 1.35pm Quote nickgusset at 28 Mar 2015 1.16pm How politically active are the contributors to this thread? Do you mean beyond spouting bollocks on a football messageboard to a captive audience? Your guess is as good as mine nick... And voting. The most politically active action a person can make. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 29 Mar 15 8.07am

Quote Seth at 28 Mar 2015 1.35pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Mar 2015 1.16pm

How politically active are the contributors to this thread?

Do you mean beyond spouting bollocks on a football messageboard to a captive audience?

Your guess is as good as mine nick...

And voting. The most politically active action a person can make.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 29 Mar 15 8.37am
Quote matt_himself at 29 Mar 2015 8.06am Quote nickgusset at 28 Mar 2015 1.16pm How politically active are the contributors to this thread? So, reading between the lines, what you saying, in typically superior way, is that if you aren't poitically active, you shouldn't voice political issues? As you keep reminding us, as 'divisional secretary' of the NUT and a contributor to such political heavyweight events such as bike rides against austerity, we are truely blessed to have you on here telling us what to think and keep trying to put us in our moral place because we are inferior beings to he likes of you. Has anyone ever actually told you what to think or is that pure hyperbole?
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Quote matt_himself at 29 Mar 2015 8.06am

Quote nickgusset at 28 Mar 2015 1.16pm

How politically active are the contributors to this thread?

So, reading between the lines, what you saying, in typically superior way, is that if you aren't poitically active, you shouldn't voice political issues?

Has anyone ever actually told you what to think or is that pure hyperbole?

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matt_himself Matataland 29 Mar 15 9.41am
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 29 Mar 2015 8.37am Quote matt_himself at 29 Mar 2015 8.06am Quote nickgusset at 28 Mar 2015 1.16pm How politically active are the contributors to this thread? So, reading between the lines, what you saying, in typically superior way, is that if you aren't poitically active, you shouldn't voice political issues? As you keep reminding us, as 'divisional secretary' of the NUT and a contributor to such political heavyweight events such as bike rides against austerity, we are truely blessed to have you on here telling us what to think and keep trying to put us in our moral place because we are inferior beings to he likes of you. Has anyone ever actually told you what to think or is that pure hyperbole? Gusset likes to tell us what to think and use moral blackmail to make us come around to his barmy way of thinking. He has been doing it for years. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 29 Mar 15 9.41am

Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 29 Mar 2015 8.37am

Quote matt_himself at 29 Mar 2015 8.06am

Quote nickgusset at 28 Mar 2015 1.16pm

How politically active are the contributors to this thread?

So, reading between the lines, what you saying, in typically superior way, is that if you aren't poitically active, you shouldn't voice political issues?

Has anyone ever actually told you what to think or is that pure hyperbole?

Gusset likes to tell us what to think and use moral blackmail to make us come around to his barmy way of thinking.

He has been doing it for years.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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