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steeleye20 Croydon 22 Oct 19 4.57pm | |
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The EU taking over already extending the transition period as we speak. May not ratify either as it is not satisfied with the treatment of its EU citizens. If we remain we still have the veto and sit at the top table, undeservedly so, if the Johnson deal goes through the UK becomes a subservient colony a rule-taker. Never before was so much damage inflicted by so few.
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 22 Oct 19 5.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I said I didn't agree with him then, and don't now. I won't bother to disagree with the rest. You know I do and why. In any case it's now a mute point given the current direction of travel. Moot?? surely?? Edited by the silurian (22 Oct 2019 5.24pm)
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chris123 hove actually 22 Oct 19 5.15pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The EU taking over already extending the transition period as we speak. May not ratify either as it is not satisfied with the treatment of its EU citizens. If we remain we still have the veto and sit at the top table, undeservedly so, if the Johnson deal goes through the UK becomes a subservient colony a rule-taker. Never before was so much damage inflicted by so few.
How come Labour are running at 25% then?
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Matov 22 Oct 19 5.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I won't bother to disagree with the rest. You know I do and why. In any case it's now a mute point given the current direction of travel.
Edited by Matov (22 Oct 2019 5.17pm)
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Teddy Eagle 22 Oct 19 5.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Everyone has to decide that for themselves. How do you know that isn’t what everyone did? The fact others might not agree doesn’t negate their opinion. Or their vote.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Oct 19 5.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Edited by Matov (22 Oct 2019 5.17pm) The issue is that a GE might result in yet another 'Hung Parliament' with all the downsides this will bring as has been demonstrated these last few years.
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elgrande bedford 22 Oct 19 5.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
The issue is that a GE might result in yet another 'Hung Parliament' with all the downsides this will bring as has been demonstrated these last few years. No think boris will walk it willo. Anyone else but the Marxist in charge they might have a chance.
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elgrande bedford 22 Oct 19 5.40pm | |
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The rest of the country are starting to see this present labour party for what it is...purely metropolitan elite,
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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dannyboy1978 22 Oct 19 5.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I had a German friend a long time ago who argued that democracy was too precious to be left to the people. He seriously argued that there ought to be thresholds other than just a minimum age which you needed to pass before you were allowed a vote. His primary one was an intelligence test of some kind, although how he thought that would be administered was never made clear. Of course I didn't agree but I bet his views have hardened after the Brexit fiasco. By the way, that's not what I am saying, as you very well know! All I saying is that everyone needs to think of the impact on future generations and not just their own. If you do, then fine. You have literally described brexit, a bumpy road short term for the long term Benifit. That's what we voted for but your lot are blocking it.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Oct 19 5.47pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
No think boris will walk it willo. Anyone else but the Marxist in charge they might have a chance. The 'mood music' is that the Conservatives will secure a decent majority but we live in uncertain times. Nigel Farage has already been criticising the deal and if there is a GE before the deal has been passed in Parliament,which of course seems highly likely,the Brexit party will point to the fact that Brexit has NOT been delivered as promised and the deal was Brexit in name only in order to attract Brexiteers to their party and this of course could adversely affect the Conservatives. A plethora of variables and factors will come into play.I shall be campaigning for the Conservative Party with my customary vim and vigour as I have done for many a year.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 5.51pm | |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
You’re 74 and moved to Truro. Average house price in Truro circa £330k so going to assume from that (and you over indulgent smug tones on this thread) that you are financially comfortable. I am actually 75, but OK. I have a decent pension and some investments and live within my means. So presumably you would be happy to take a cut in your state pension to help future generations? Not saying that is right or agreeable but surely that is something that would benefit. What then if everyone over 70 had to, whether they could afford to or not? Now let’s say the majority of these pensioners vote against it. But you consider it right. Are they wrong because they put their own situation first? My remarks have only been about the way people should vote and not what else they ought to do. After selling my businesses and retiring I did quite a lot to help others financially, but it wouldn't be appropriate to go into details. In the event of Parliament deciding to cut the state pension then as I could survive it I wouldn't be too unhappy. How other's would feel is entirely their own business. You make the point out impacting future generations. 1. No one can know the impact. Know? Not in precise detail. Have a good idea of the probable range of outcomes, yes they do. 2. Most people will have considered their children/grandchildren Then they have already met what I am suggesting and can ignore what I have said. 3. You’re clearly not a working class lorry driver from Doncaster, but I’ll bet you could lecture them to death and believe you have more right to an opinion than they do. No, but I have several friends who drive (or more correctly used to drive) lorries. We can discuss things quite amicably. You might well be surprised at their attitudes. Most of the ultra leavers around here come from middle class backgrounds, and are incomers from the shires. The most beautiful irony you seem unaware of though is that you continually state leave had the traction as it’s easier to argue for change. Missing the point that is exactly what you are doing now. Arguing for change. Yet when faced with reasoned debate, you revert to being overbearing. Oh I fully realise which way the tide is flowing and and that the arguments have almost reversed. What is missing is the reasoned debate. Most of what I read is just the same old, same old, claims about "respecting" the 52:48 result 3 years ago etc, etc. Not a lot of reasoning attached at all. Just repetition. My personal feelings - if you pay taxes, contribute to society and are a good citizen you have as much right to vote for any option. Of course you do. Which all the people will do at the next GE and if they decide they were sold a pup in 2016 and want to reverse the decision that's what will happen. I personally couldn’t vote for Corbyn under any situation (though the free Unicorn is tempting), but if someone chooses to then that is their right. Nor could I, but neither could I vote for Johnson, or Farage. Just as well then none are standing here. I would also suggest Truro is not taking the same hit that other parts of the country do with immigration. It isn't but maybe that enables the people here not to be blindsided by it. Immigration won't decrease because of Brexit. The source of the immigrants might change though. I vote how I vote based on personal knowledge, my local mp gets my vote as he is a good local mp. Wider than that, I voted out based on personal experiences both here and in other countries. Then we decide in the same way. My local MP is Sarah Newton who helped me with a particular issue in the past and changed my life as a consequence. She is a good lady. I voted remain because of personal experiences both here, in Europe and further afield.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 5.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
How do you know that isn’t what everyone did? The fact others might not agree doesn’t negate their opinion. Or their vote. I do know that's what they did! And that it's their right to decide whatever they like. That's not the point. I am merely suggesting that for this issue some thought for future generations would be appropriate, given that it's impact will take a while to work through and be felt for a very long time. If everybody has already done that then I am content.
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