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eritheagle Erith 21 Oct 19 12.38pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't see anything "hardcore" about anyone on that list. I see dedicated MPs trying their to do what they believe to be in THEIR best interests. The LibDems have as clear a policy on the EU as Farage and the ERG have. Both the latter would have continued to campaign if the result has been to remain. In a democracy that's everyone's right, including the LibDems. You can use whatever language you wish. That's your right. It doesn't mean I have to agree with you.
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Erith 21 Oct 19 12.38pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't see anything "hardcore" about anyone on that list. I see dedicated MPs trying their to do what they believe to be in THEIR best interests.

The LibDems have as clear a policy on the EU as Farage and the ERG have. Both the latter would have continued to campaign if the result has been to remain. In a democracy that's everyone's right, including the LibDems.

You can use whatever language you wish. That's your right. It doesn't mean I have to agree with you.

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Lyons550 Shirley 21 Oct 19 12.40pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 A 'Karl Marx' style memorial surely would be appropriate.... Indeed The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Originally posted by steeleye20

A 'Karl Marx' style memorial surely would be appropriate....

Indeed

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jeeagles 21 Oct 19 1.40pm
A thought has just dawned on me: When Boris has to go and ask for a delay, he needs to give a reason. The reason, I suspect will be that he will ask for that to take place after the next GE so parliament has the power to vote through a deal with a meaningful vote. Given that Labour wont vote for an early GE, he may try and ask for a 3 year extension until the end of this fixed term. The EU will surely refuse which will give MP's the option of voting through this current deal, or no deal.
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21 Oct 19 1.40pm

A thought has just dawned on me:

When Boris has to go and ask for a delay, he needs to give a reason. The reason, I suspect will be that he will ask for that to take place after the next GE so parliament has the power to vote through a deal with a meaningful vote. Given that Labour wont vote for an early GE, he may try and ask for a 3 year extension until the end of this fixed term.

The EU will surely refuse which will give MP's the option of voting through this current deal, or no deal.

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Midlands Eagle 21 Oct 19 2.01pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Many will admire her for having the courage of her convictions and doing what she believes to be right, despite the pressure and the prospect of losing her job as a consequence. Only time will tell whether there are enough people of principle in her constituency to return her again. Yet again you are trying to imply that only your opinion is the one that matters which is of course more Wissy Bollox
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Many will admire her for having the courage of her convictions and doing what she believes to be right, despite the pressure and the prospect of losing her job as a consequence.

Only time will tell whether there are enough people of principle in her constituency to return her again.

Yet again you are trying to imply that only your opinion is the one that matters which is of course more Wissy Bollox

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elgrande bedford 21 Oct 19 2.13pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We have been round this track 100 pages ago! No Soros money is currently involved in funding "Best for Britain". An "Open Society" foundation he funds, but which operates independently, provided some seed funding and was immediately attacked for doing so in the right wing press, which is probably where you get these ideas. Ha ha,you assume I read the "right wing press". Pray tell the font of all knowledge that you are. How do you know there isn't still funding going on. Because they have said there isn't very quick to believe everything you want to .... always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 21 Oct 19 2.13pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We have been round this track 100 pages ago!

No Soros money is currently involved in funding "Best for Britain". An "Open Society" foundation he funds, but which operates independently, provided some seed funding and was immediately attacked for doing so in the right wing press, which is probably where you get these ideas.

Ha ha,you assume I read the "right wing press".
Pray tell the font of all knowledge that you are.
How do you know there isn't still funding going on.

Because they have said there isn't very quick to believe everything you want to ....

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Oct 19 2.15pm
So next up Speaker Bercow. I hope that he allows the government to put forward its motion, he can refuse of course and cite precedent but as he likes to make new precedents he could allow it if he wished. If he doesn't I think this will show the country yet again that politicians are playing games with an incredibly important decision. This is an indicative vote it will not bind the house however it will tell us if Boris has the votes if he can't get them on this then he has no chance with the legislation. If Bercow refuses to allow it this is just another delay, a delay that Remainers may regret if the EU declines an extension and we run out of time they are the ones running the clock down. If the vote is allowed and Boris fails to win this actually helps the EU in deciding if and by how much they should give an extension. By blocking the vote the EU are left in the dark the same as the rest of us. If Boris wins the EU can hold fire and it maybe that as Oct 31 approaches Boris asks for a short extension as Parliament needs more time. Either way the EU will not thank Parliament for not voting and running the clock down. Still all to play for. Edited by Badger11 (21 Oct 2019 2.18pm) Edited by Badger11 (21 Oct 2019 2.19pm) One more point
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Beckenham 21 Oct 19 2.15pm

So next up Speaker Bercow. I hope that he allows the government to put forward its motion, he can refuse of course and cite precedent but as he likes to make new precedents he could allow it if he wished.

If he doesn't I think this will show the country yet again that politicians are playing games with an incredibly important decision.

This is an indicative vote it will not bind the house however it will tell us if Boris has the votes if he can't get them on this then he has no chance with the legislation.

If Bercow refuses to allow it this is just another delay, a delay that Remainers may regret if the EU declines an extension and we run out of time they are the ones running the clock down.

If the vote is allowed and Boris fails to win this actually helps the EU in deciding if and by how much they should give an extension. By blocking the vote the EU are left in the dark the same as the rest of us. If Boris wins the EU can hold fire and it maybe that as Oct 31 approaches Boris asks for a short extension as Parliament needs more time. Either way the EU will not thank Parliament for not voting and running the clock down.

Still all to play for.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Oct 2019 2.18pm)

Edited by Badger11 (21 Oct 2019 2.19pm)

One more point

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steeleye20 Croydon 21 Oct 19 3.42pm
Johnsons deal unravelling as is his crookedness. Sajid Javid was responding to a letter from Commons Treasury Committee interim chairwoman Catherine McKinnell which asked whether the Treasury has updated economic analysis of Brexit. Following Mr Javid's letter, Ms McKinnell said: "The chancellor has acknowledged that the government’s previous economic analysis of a free trade agreement does not correspond to the agreement that the government will now be seeking. "The government, therefore, appears content that MPs be expected to vote blindly on its new deal. "The dearth of relevant economic analysis on which MPs can decide how to vote is deeply concerning."
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Croydon 21 Oct 19 3.42pm

Johnsons deal unravelling as is his crookedness.

Sajid Javid was responding to a letter from Commons Treasury Committee interim chairwoman Catherine McKinnell which asked whether the Treasury has updated economic analysis of Brexit.

Following Mr Javid's letter, Ms McKinnell said: "The chancellor has acknowledged that the government’s previous economic analysis of a free trade agreement does not correspond to the agreement that the government will now be seeking.

"The government, therefore, appears content that MPs be expected to vote blindly on its new deal.

"The dearth of relevant economic analysis on which MPs can decide how to vote is deeply concerning."

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cryrst The garden of England 21 Oct 19 3.56pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Johnsons deal unravelling as is his crookedness. Sajid Javid was responding to a letter from Commons Treasury Committee interim chairwoman Catherine McKinnell which asked whether the Treasury has updated economic analysis of Brexit. Following Mr Javid's letter, Ms McKinnell said: "The chancellor has acknowledged that the government’s previous economic analysis of a free trade agreement does not correspond to the agreement that the government will now be seeking. "The government, therefore, appears content that MPs be expected to vote blindly on its new deal. "The dearth of relevant economic analysis on which MPs can decide how to vote is deeply concerning." Hows your budget for the next 6 months then? You dont know do you. Scale that up to running a country. You can analyse all you want but fact isnt analysis.
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The garden of England 21 Oct 19 3.56pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Johnsons deal unravelling as is his crookedness.

Sajid Javid was responding to a letter from Commons Treasury Committee interim chairwoman Catherine McKinnell which asked whether the Treasury has updated economic analysis of Brexit.

"The government, therefore, appears content that MPs be expected to vote blindly on its new deal.

"The dearth of relevant economic analysis on which MPs can decide how to vote is deeply concerning."

Hows your budget for the next 6 months then?
You dont know do you.
Scale that up to running a country.
You can analyse all you want but fact isnt analysis.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Oct 19 4.36pm
Originally posted by cryrst Hows your budget for the next 6 months then? You dont know do you. Scale that up to running a country. You can analyse all you want but fact isnt analysis. Your consistent logic seems to be to not bother analysing or predicting anything, because you can’t be 100% sure, so you may as well go in blind
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Originally posted by cryrst

Hows your budget for the next 6 months then?
You dont know do you.
Scale that up to running a country.
You can analyse all you want but fact isnt analysis.

Your consistent logic seems to be to not bother analysing or predicting anything, because you can’t be 100% sure, so you may as well go in blind

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Oct 19 4.49pm
As expected the public. Parliament and the EU are denied the chance to see if Boris has a deal that can pass. Carry on kicking the can down the road but one day the road will run out and then they'll be complaining we need more time. One more point
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Beckenham 21 Oct 19 4.49pm

As expected the public. Parliament and the EU are denied the chance to see if Boris has a deal that can pass.

Carry on kicking the can down the road but one day the road will run out and then they'll be complaining we need more time.

One more point

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cryrst The garden of England 21 Oct 19 5.20pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Your consistent logic seems to be to not bother analysing or predicting anything, because you can’t be 100% sure, so you may as well go in blind My logic is that predictions are just that. Forecasts and prophecies. The dictionary says that BTW. How much info can the government give about something that hasnt happened before. How great will it be to stay in the EU in say 5 years. Probably an unknown. Do you see now. a financial analysis has been done and would be available to the people whom can actually understand it. The fact it isnt to the final penny is just ammo for people who dont want brexit. It's all blind on both sides.
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The garden of England 21 Oct 19 5.20pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Your consistent logic seems to be to not bother analysing or predicting anything, because you can’t be 100% sure, so you may as well go in blind

My logic is that predictions are just that.
Forecasts and prophecies.
The dictionary says that BTW.
How much info can the government give about something that hasnt happened before.
How great will it be to stay in the EU in say 5 years.
Probably an unknown.
Do you see now.
a financial analysis has been done and would be available to the people whom can actually understand it.
The fact it isnt to the final penny is just ammo for people who dont want brexit.
It's all blind on both sides.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Oct 19 5.27pm
Originally posted by cryrst My logic is that predictions are just that. Forecasts and prophecies. The dictionary says that BTW. How much info can the government give about something that hasnt happened before. How great will it be to stay in the EU in say 5 years. Probably an unknown. Do you see now. a financial analysis has been done and would be available to the people whom can actually understand it. The fact it isnt to the final penny is just ammo for people who dont want brexit. It's all blind on both sides. Scary.
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SE19 21 Oct 19 5.27pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Scary.

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