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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 7.41pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
How can opinion change and knowledge be compatible in any way shape or form. My own opinion has hardened that leaving would makes things worse, because I now know more. That though doesn't mean that I think we will as I want Parliament to do it's job and decide what, on balance, they consider is best for us ALL. Not just me! There will be plenty of people whose opinions haven't changed at all, either way. Some will have though, both ways, as a consequence of the intervening years of experience. The idea that everyone has a set opinion and no amount of new "information", whether truthful or false, will change it is simply nonsensical. I resent the suggestion I am not truthful. You might not agree with me but that is no reason to doubt my integrity.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 7.45pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Equally many people may have voted to remain due to George Osborne's declaration that even voting to leave would bring the economy crashing down and he would be forced to hold an emergency budget Doubtless they were and they had every right to be. It was a forecast which hasn't YET materialised but many still fear it will. Forecasts can be wrong. They aren't lies. They are just forecasts.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 20 Oct 19 7.45pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course we won't rerun the first referendum! That was in 2016 and it wouldn't be until 2020. It would ask a different question on a different basis but would, almost certainly, ask if the people, in the light of their greater knowledge, still wanted to leave, and if so how. The option to remain was eliminated in the original referendum.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 7.47pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Why would have been invited if not because he was an MP and in a position to influence others Of course because he had knowledge that he could share. He cares. You might not care for his views but he has every right to share them with who ever he chooses to.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Oct 19 7.49pm |
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'Jog on with your daft ideas'. Corbyn on Johnson. Got to hand it to him, at his age after 'Super Saturday' appearing at a large rally in Liverpool. He is touring large cities over the next few weeks no doubt to gear everybody up for the fight.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 7.51pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Oh yes you have wissy, you frequently refer to 'people like you' if someone disagrees with your remainer opinion...what are 'people like you' if you dont mean thick for not having the same ideas as you, a remainer..? As for your assertion that you dont see ANY hardcore remainers, go switch on your tv and see 1000s of them protesting outside Parliament EVERY day, you know, the ones with no jobs and EU flags wrapped round their shoulders are they not HARDCORE remainers? If not how would you describe them? Edited by the silurian (20 Oct 2019 6.46pm) "People like you" doesn't contain any suggestion that they, or you, are "thick" does it? It simply means people who think, or behave, in the same way. Just like the people protesting yesterday have similar opinions. Perhaps that you make assumptions ought to cause you to reflect.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 20 Oct 19 7.55pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
"People like you" doesn't contain any suggestion that they, or you, are "thick" does it? It simply means people who think, or behave, in the same way. Just like the people protesting yesterday have similar opinions. Perhaps that you make assumptions ought to cause you to reflect. There you go again!! What about all the jobless benefit claimimg protesters outside Parliament day after day....are they not hardcore remainers??? Maybe you should reflect before making ridiculous statements like 'I see no hardcore remainers' when all you need to do is look in a mirror!! Edited by the silurian (20 Oct 2019 7.57pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 20 Oct 19 8.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My own opinion has hardened that leaving would makes things worse, because I now know more. That though doesn't mean that I think we will as I want Parliament to do it's job and decide what, on balance, they consider is best for us ALL. Not just me! There will be plenty of people whose opinions haven't changed at all, either way. Some will have though, both ways, as a consequence of the intervening years of experience. The idea that everyone has a set opinion and no amount of new "information", whether truthful or false, will change it is simply nonsensical. I resent the suggestion I am not truthful. You might not agree with me but that is no reason to doubt my integrity. Still your opinion only though.
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| cryrst The garden of England 20 Oct 19 8.55pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My own opinion has hardened that leaving would makes things worse, because I now know more. That though doesn't mean that I think we will as I want Parliament to do it's job and decide what, on balance, they consider is best for us ALL. Not just me! There will be plenty of people whose opinions haven't changed at all, either way. Some will have though, both ways, as a consequence of the intervening years of experience. The idea that everyone has a set opinion and no amount of new "information", whether truthful or false, will change it is simply nonsensical. I resent the suggestion I am not truthful. You might not agree with me but that is no reason to doubt my integrity. Never does everyone benefit from changes; ever.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 20 Oct 19 8.55pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'Jog on with your daft ideas'. Corbyn on Johnson. Got to hand it to him, at his age after 'Super Saturday' appearing at a large rally in Liverpool. He is touring large cities over the next few weeks no doubt to gear everybody up for the fight. Good old Jezza "for the few not the many".
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 9.13pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
I don't want another referendum but if one is held I suspect it will be written into the legislation which enables it that the implementation of it's result is mandated on Parliament. Holding a referendum when the consequences of the result are clear is very different to that which happened in 2016.
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| silvertop Portishead 20 Oct 19 9.24pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
It's funny how certain people think that bercow is just a speaker up holding the rules. He has shown himself to be a full on "remoaner",and doing whatever he can to deny the will of 17.4 million people. Or did he go to Brussels just for a box of Belgium chocolates and a glass of beer. David Lammy and all the others that went to Brussels the other day...funded by Soros...what a surprise..not.. True moon landing conspiracy nut tripe.
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