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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Total lies and more lies. Most want this farce to end as quickly as possible by leaving. I am sure they do, but not at a price we ought not to pay. It's Parliament's job to make sure that deal fatigue doesn't overpower reason. You don't quit just because you are tired. The general public are no more qualified to make these decisions now than in 2016. You can make these same old excuses 1000 times and they will still be bulls***. Qualified, probably not. Informed and better able most certainly they are. Most members of the public will now have a better overall view than even the most informed did in 2016. Hard core Remainers will never be satisfied by any deal and that is why their opinion on a deal is irrelevant I don't see any "hard core" Remainers. I see people who have always thought that remaining was better but who accepted Parliament's decisions. Now they want Parliament to test that the people want to leave with the actual arrangements that have been negotiated rather than the unknown situation in 2016. You don't like it! That's your opinion. Let's see what Parliament finally decide to do. It's their decision and not your's or mine.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 5.38pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
He may be sincere and honest. This was about Letwin and not about Bercow!
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cryrst  The garden of England 20 Oct 19 5.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This was about Letwin and not about Bercow! Check back wissy.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 20 Oct 19 5.55pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Now they want Parliament to test that the people want to leave with the actual arrangements that have been negotiated rather than the unknown situation in 2016. A referendum on Boris' deal v no deal then. We cannot rerun the first referendum for obvious reasons.
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| Midlands Eagle 20 Oct 19 5.58pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Equally many people may have voted to remain due to George Osborne's declaration that even voting to leave would bring the economy crashing down and he would be forced to hold an emergency budget
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| cryrst The garden of England 20 Oct 19 5.59pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What do you think they were doing when they triggered Article 50? Everything since has been about how we exit and not if. Now, given all the time that has elapsed, there is a growing mood that the people should verify whether they want the way that has been negotiated or has their opinion changed in the intervening years and with their greater knowledge. As this is a big step, and we all understand the complexities better, and we have the opportunity, I can understand the argument. Just as I can understand the one that says more delay causes more uncertainty. How can opinion change and knowledge be compatible in any way shape or form.
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| Midlands Eagle 20 Oct 19 5.59pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If he went on his own time in a private capacity then he has absolutely no reason to reveal if he was supported in some way. He could not have done any negotiation. All he could have done was explanation. Why would have been invited if not because he was an MP and in a position to influence others
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| Midlands Eagle 20 Oct 19 6.00pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
A referendum on Boris' deal v no deal then. We cannot rerun the first referendum for obvious reasons. I'll drink to that
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 20 Oct 19 6.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There is a significant proportion of the people who think as I do, so hardly just according to me. It's only here that I am outnumbered. I have never ever suggested that all leavers are "thick". Every group has a mixture of types within it and this is no different. I just believe leaving to be, on balance, the wrong decision and that some people were influenced by malign activity sufficient to tip the balance. Remember the gap was only 4% so it would have only taken 2% of the voters to have been so influenced to make the difference. Oh yes you have wissy, you frequently refer to 'people like you' if someone disagrees with your remainer opinion...what are 'people like you' if you dont mean thick for not having the same ideas as you, a remainer..? As for your assertion that you dont see ANY hardcore remainers, go switch on your tv and see 1000s of them protesting outside Parliament EVERY day, you know, the ones with no jobs and EU flags wrapped round their shoulders are they not HARDCORE remainers? If not how would you describe them? Edited by the silurian (20 Oct 2019 6.46pm)
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 20 Oct 19 6.49pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What do you think they were doing when they triggered Article 50? Everything since has been about how we exit and not if. Now, given all the time that has elapsed, there is a growing mood that the people should verify whether they want the way that has been negotiated or has their opinion changed in the intervening years and with their greater knowledge. As this is a big step, and we all understand the complexities better, and we have the opportunity, I can understand the argument. Just as I can understand the one that says more delay causes more uncertainty.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 7.17pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Check back wissy. I know what your reply was about but you were replying to the wrong comment. So you are the one who needs to do the checking. The comment was a follow on about Letwin.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Oct 19 7.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
A referendum on Boris' deal v no deal then. We cannot rerun the first referendum for obvious reasons. Of course we won't rerun the first referendum! That was in 2016 and it wouldn't be until 2020. It would ask a different question on a different basis but would, almost certainly, ask if the people, in the light of their greater knowledge, still wanted to leave, and if so how.
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