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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Jan 24 10.09pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Doesn't it? Those who impose the rules then ignore them? In the unlikely event of another lockdown why shouldn't everyone just think - those in charge didn't take the last one seriously so why should we?

They might so they had better make sure that they choose more responsible representatives. It doesn’t though make one iota of difference to the decision itself. Which was taken on advice. The same advice as would be given to whoever were our representatives.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Jan 24 10.14pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They might so they had better make sure that they choose more responsible representatives. It doesn’t though make one iota of difference to the decision itself. Which was taken on advice. The same advice as would be given to whoever were our representatives.

Yes but why should the country stick to the rules when they were so blatantly ignored by those in charge last time?
Scare tactics won't work because everyone knows they were lied to.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Jan 24 10.15pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Macmillan Cancer Support analysis of NHS figures show that cancer diagnoses fell by 33% during the lockdowns.

It is ridiculous for you to disregard this - just as it is to disregard a landlord with your first name, in your age bracket, living in your area, fined and incurring costs of over £10,000 for not maintaining the gas appliances in their properties.

You are being ridiculous. No one is ignoring or disputing anything and if you think so then you are spectacularly missing the point. Which is it was anticipated to have this kind of impact but that the alternatives were anticipated to produce even worse outcomes.

Think of it as having to decide whether to drive headfirst into a brick wall at 50 mph with or without a seat belt on. Both will hurt a lot. One though probably worse than the other. So you decide.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Jan 24 10.20pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Yes but why should the country stick to the rules when they were so blatantly ignored by those in charge last time?
Scare tactics won't work because everyone knows they were lied to.

You decide that. It’s though completely irrelevant to the choice between locking down or not, whether or not the politicians who rubber stamped the advice given to them by their professional scientific advisers were irresponsible bags of s***e or not.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Jan 24 10.27pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You decide that. It’s though completely irrelevant to the choice between locking down or not, whether or not the politicians who rubber stamped the advice given to them by their professional scientific advisers were irresponsible bags of s***e or not.

They were, they are and they always will be. Big bags at that.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 24 9.09am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

They were, they are and they always will be. Big bags at that.

Not all of them, but the one leading the government then was, and always was.

Johnson was a disaster whose name history will not regard kindly.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are being ridiculous. No one is ignoring or disputing anything and if you think so then you are spectacularly missing the point. Which is it was anticipated to have this kind of impact but that the alternatives were anticipated to produce even worse outcomes.

Think of it as having to decide whether to drive headfirst into a brick wall at 50 mph with or without a seat belt on. Both will hurt a lot. One though probably worse than the other. So you decide.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the alternatives would have produced worse outcomes.

 

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Eden Eagle Flag Kent 04 Jan 24 12.38pm Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

I can understand why WE remains wedded to his lockdown zealotry position as the impact of shutting everything down was (I assume) minimal. From previous posts WE has indicated his age so I am, again assuming age and the number of senior positions he has held when working) that he is in receipt of a Final Salary pension so would be immune to the market shock that lockdowns caused (my Money Purchase scheme fell 40% in a couple of weeks) alongside this WE is also a BTL landlord with local authority tenants (I think) so would continue to receive his rental income. Being retired WE would not have any concerns about businesses shutting down and potentially losing his job and being a more elderly gentleman he would possibly be in the higher risk group should he have caught Covid.

We all make decisions around the personal impact they will cause and this is not to criticise WE but merely to point out that he had no “skin in the game” and was protected from all of the (many) downsides to shutting down the economy so it makes sense for him to continue to support a policy which clearly was the most suitable for him personally even if it had massive impacts on others.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Jan 24 2.26pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They might so they had better make sure that they choose more responsible representatives. It doesn’t though make one iota of difference to the decision itself. Which was taken on advice. The same advice as would be given to whoever were our representatives.

Nice deflection. Choose more responsible representatives? How do you propose we do that?

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Jan 24 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

I can understand why WE remains wedded to his lockdown zealotry position as the impact of shutting everything down was (I assume) minimal. From previous posts WE has indicated his age so I am, again assuming age and the number of senior positions he has held when working) that he is in receipt of a Final Salary pension so would be immune to the market shock that lockdowns caused (my Money Purchase scheme fell 40% in a couple of weeks) alongside this WE is also a BTL landlord with local authority tenants (I think) so would continue to receive his rental income. Being retired WE would not have any concerns about businesses shutting down and potentially losing his job and being a more elderly gentleman he would possibly be in the higher risk group should he have caught Covid.

We all make decisions around the personal impact they will cause and this is not to criticise WE but merely to point out that he had no “skin in the game” and was protected from all of the (many) downsides to shutting down the economy so it makes sense for him to continue to support a policy which clearly was the most suitable for him personally even if it had massive impacts on others.

Sure but it's been pointed out before that the effects on someone for whom the financial implications are virtually zero and with access to coastal and or rural walks are different to others in small inner city flats with young children whose education is suffering and redundancy threatening.
None of that mattered in the face of the existential threat the government had created.

 

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Eden Eagle Flag Kent 04 Jan 24 4.18pm Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Sure but it's been pointed out before that the effects on someone for whom the financial implications are virtually zero and with access to coastal and or rural walks are different to others in small inner city flats with young children whose education is suffering and redundancy threatening.
None of that mattered in the face of the existential threat the government had created.

Sorry, not sure I understand your point about the threat created by the Government?

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Jan 24 4.25pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Sorry, not sure I understand your point about the threat created by the Government?

Hancock's statement about "scaring the pants off people" by exaggerating the danger. Not denying there was a potential risk but not one severe enough to warrant closing the country down for months.

 

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