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Hansy 25 May 17 10.33am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
At least if labour get in there will be a decent minimum wage and a lot less zero hours contracts. Then what happens to those that want zero hour contracts? I agree vast majority don't, but there is still a minority that like the zero-hour contracts. I employ a zero-hour contractor, but that is because he wants that. Edited by Hansy (25 May 2017 10.34am)
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Kermit8 Hevon 25 May 17 10.34am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
No he is not. He is very much new left. Old Labour, going back to the likes of Attlee and Bevin, then on to a few of their heirs, basically wanted to better the lives and opportunities of ordinary British (Attlee was a great patriot) people. The new left wants to pander to various racial and social minorities and pursue dogmatic economic ideas that have been shown repeatedly to fail.
I meant pre-Blair old labour. Not old, old Labour. '97 was when the party started to become unrecognisable and it worked. Three elections wins on the trot. Then the plot was well and truly lost.
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Hrolf The Ganger 25 May 17 10.36am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
At least if labour get in there will be a decent minimum wage and a lot less zero hours contracts. And yet the minimum wage has seen a big rise under this government.
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DanH SW2 25 May 17 10.44am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm not that fond of May.....But she's a million miles better than Cameron. The blue rinse voted 'pretty boy' in not me. I was a Davis supporter.....that's someone with talent who finally has a position befitting his talent. He will get the best deal possible for this country. The 'supplicant' positions pushed by the left in regards to the EU in this country are nothing short of a joke. They are all codeword positions for rejecting the result and looking to stay in by a sort of admitted defeat....weak as feck and negotiators would make mince meat of them. Keir Starmer would be the Labour equivalent of Davis. A qualified QC versus a bumbling oaf. Tough one.
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matt_himself Matataland 25 May 17 10.48am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Keir Starmer would be the Labour equivalent of Davis. A qualified QC versus a bumbling oaf. Tough one. Kier Starmer is a very good barrister and the Brexit talks are not about legal matters, they are about politics, which is in the tradition of he EU. Hence they have been pulling figures out of their arse on the divorce bill. A barrister is not what is needed. A politician is. I am not sure about Davis but he is a better choice than Starmer.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 25 May 17 10.55am | |
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Originally posted by Hansy
That could mean they are better off now, but not in 4-8 years time. Labour have targeted the Young and non-voters as they do every year. This year is different I feel, as the manifesto is targeting specific age groups. Free tuition now, but when you do find work your tax rate could increase. Taxes only going to increase on top 5% of earners not new entrants into the labour market. Tried and tested economics suggests their policies will provide a stronger and more stable economy so in 4-8 many (not the few) will be better off. Cuts isn't what we need.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 25 May 17 11.00am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
BS BS. FYI the data I provided on growth rates were from the OECD so I suggest you take up any data you deem to be BS with their data team.
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Hansy 25 May 17 11.00am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Taxes only going to increase on top 5% of earners not new entrants into the labour market. Tried and tested economics suggests their policies will provide a stronger and more stable economy so in 4-8 many (not the few) will be better off. Cuts isn't what we need. Initially yes. But what then happens when they start operating at a larger deficit? If we increase the taxes of the top 5% too much, they will just move elsewhere for cheaper taxes. Especially with Brexit looming and the EU countries wanting to take business and wealth from London and the UK. That is a dangerous game. Edited by Hansy (25 May 2017 11.03am)
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 25 May 17 11.01am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And yet the minimum wage has seen a big rise under this government. And yet real wages have fallen... More facetious claptrap. I'd rather we used the labour resources available, increased productivity and provided safe and meaningful, well paid work.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 25 May 17 11.07am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
And yet real wages have fallen... More facetious claptrap. I'd rather we used the labour resources available, increased productivity and provided safe and meaningful, well paid work. I wonder if it's too late to nominate you for the 'Most unintentionally funny Poster' HOL award?
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Hansy 25 May 17 11.07am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
And yet real wages have fallen... More facetious claptrap. I'd rather we used the labour resources available, increased productivity and provided safe and meaningful, well paid work. Can you define real wages? Since the Tories have been in power the average earnings has only dropped once.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 25 May 17 11.25am | |
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Originally posted by Hansy
Can you define real wages? Since the Tories have been in power the average earnings has only dropped once. See figure 1. Real wages lower now than when Tories came to power.
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