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Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Sep 16 12.35pm | |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Corbyn's own ex-wife not voting for him doesn't exactly bode well for the judgement of those who know him best. Owen Smith has effectively admitted he has lost. Corbyn will probably walk away with a slightly reduced mandate but largely unchanged. And we'll have to play this game all the way to the next election, when either the entire media and polling organisations will be shown to have been completely wrong and Corbyn will win, or Labour will pick up 26%-28% of the vote and be effectively crushed. Edited by OknotOK (22 Sep 2016 12.28pm) Of course Of course his wife doesn't like him looking at the clothes she buys for him.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 16 1.22pm | |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Corbyn's own ex-wife not voting for him doesn't exactly bode well for the judgement of those who know him best. Owen Smith has effectively admitted he has lost. Corbyn will probably walk away with a slightly reduced mandate but largely unchanged. And we'll have to play this game all the way to the next election, when either the entire media and polling organisations will be shown to have been completely wrong and Corbyn will win, or Labour will pick up 26%-28% of the vote and be effectively crushed. Edited by OknotOK (22 Sep 2016 12.28pm) Because women should be dutiful and have only the opinions and beliefs their husbands let them have? His mandate won't change. The mandate is established by winning the vote, not by the percentage. There is also something of an issue with how the Labour Party went about securing the exclusion of certain new member voters that should probably be investigated for corrupt practices. I suspect that when all is done and dusted, Labour won't win the general election, but that the vote won't be significantly worse than the last two elections. Whilst Labour might lose some ground to the liberal democrats, they could potentially pick up votes from UKIP and the Greens with a strong left wing candidate with a working class ticket.
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Stirlingsays 22 Sep 16 1.31pm | |
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Corbyn is anti EU as an organisation for very respectable democratic reasons. Still he's extremely pro immigration.....So his impact on Ukip voters is likely to be insignificant. This said I think that Ukip will find that most of its supporters go back to their natural homes now as the main target has been achieved. Mind you that could all change if immigration numbers stay in the net hundreds of thousands. England, minus London voted for a change.
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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 22 Sep 16 2.24pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Because women should be dutiful and have only the opinions and beliefs their husbands let them have? His mandate won't change. The mandate is established by winning the vote, not by the percentage. There is also something of an issue with how the Labour Party went about securing the exclusion of certain new member voters that should probably be investigated for corrupt practices. I suspect that when all is done and dusted, Labour won't win the general election, but that the vote won't be significantly worse than the last two elections. Whilst Labour might lose some ground to the liberal democrats, they could potentially pick up votes from UKIP and the Greens with a strong left wing candidate with a working class ticket. No because of the reasons she gave for not voting for him (and given she voted for him in the last leadership election) - that he had been poor as a leader to date and that his political views were translating poorly and looked out of date. If someone who cares for him and has admitted to still feeling loyalty towards him can't bring themselves to vote for him it doesn't look great for him. Honestly I am not sure what I believe in terms of the magnitude of the expected loss for Corbyn/Labour. Everything he stands for polls as popular but he personally polls very poorly and the party is polling in line. 28% of the vote, with no recovery in Scotland, and they'd lose another 30 seats. It would be a very poor result. Corbyn's affect on UKIP supporters depends upon your confidence in his ability to win the argument over the cause of their unease. UKIP managed to convince many voters that the source of much of their unhappiness with the status quo was the EU. Much better debaters than Corbyn failed to turn that argument around.
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matt_himself Matataland 23 Sep 16 7.32pm | |
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Please can I say thank you to the Labour Party. Who you are electing as leader tomorrow guarantees a generation of, not always perfect but nonetheless, Tory government. Enjoy your 'circle jerk' on who is the most leftie of you, even though none of you canvassed for Labour at the last General Election.
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banbandanas Birmingham 23 Sep 16 8.46pm | |
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At least the electorate will have a real choice in the next general election, instead of the very similar centrist/liberal offerings of the main parties in recent years. Mind you, I'm pretty sure what choice they will make.
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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 23 Sep 16 11.37pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Please can I say thank you to the Labour Party. Who you are electing as leader tomorrow guarantees a generation of, not always perfect but nonetheless, Tory government. Enjoy your 'circle jerk' on who is the most leftie of you, even though none of you canvassed for Labour at the last General Election. Possibly because at the last election the labour party was still somewhere to the right of the Lib-Dems? And I know how to circle strafe with the best of them (well, maybe I did 15 years ago when I still had fast twitch skills, anyway)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Sep 16 8.34am | |
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Done. Finished. Jeremy is going to win. It's time for Owen Smith to dissappear back into obscurity and for Angela Eagle to remain there. Maybe we should remember what the polls said about his chances? Well. Jeremy will win. Again. I suggest that those calling for unity whether faux or real eat their words and stand together behind their democratically elected leader, the "unelectable" Jeremy Corbyn, or respectfully stand down and join a party that aligns with their personal choice of policies. After all, this new movement doesn't need anymore criticism from within if it is succeed and be an effective opposition, so, in short, put up or shut up. It's really that simple.
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Hoof Hearted 24 Sep 16 10.18am | |
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Yes Jeremy will win. But his victory is akin to two bald men fighting over a comb. As Matt pointed out above, Labour have ensured a Tory victory in 2020 and probably beyond. Losing so many seats to the SNP in Scotland and then appointing Corbyn as leader and Abbott & McDonnell as deputies has pretty much ruined any credibility the party had left in England and Wales. The LibDems have more credibility now.
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banbandanas Birmingham 24 Sep 16 10.28am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Done. Finished. Jeremy is going to win. It's time for Owen Smith to dissappear back into obscurity and for Angela Eagle to remain there. Maybe we should remember what the polls said about his chances? Well. Jeremy will win. Again. I suggest that those calling for unity whether faux or real eat their words and stand together behind their democratically elected leader, the "unelectable" Jeremy Corbyn, or respectfully stand down and join a party that aligns with their personal choice of policies. After all, this new movement doesn't need anymore criticism from within if it is succeed and be an effective opposition, so, in short, put up or shut up. It's really that simple. I agree that Labour should now get on with it, just like the Remainers bemoaning Brexit should get on with it. The electorate too should get on with deciding whether they want to support a party whose likely next General Secretary will be Corbyn’s close friend, Andrew Murray. I guess he will have to join the Labour Party first though, as he is currently a member of the Communist Party of Britain. In 2015 he said “Communism still represents, in my view, a society worth working towards.”
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 24 Sep 16 10.32am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Done. Finished. Jeremy is going to win. It's time for Owen Smith to dissappear back into obscurity and for Angela Eagle to remain there. Maybe we should remember what the polls said about his chances? Well. Jeremy will win. Again. I suggest that those calling for unity whether faux or real eat their words and stand together behind their democratically elected leader, the "unelectable" Jeremy Corbyn, or respectfully stand down and join a party that aligns with their personal choice of policies. After all, this new movement doesn't need anymore criticism from within if it is succeed and be an effective opposition, so, in short, put up or shut up. It's really that simple. Like Corbyn did? The arrogance of your post is breathtaking. And if you didn't hear criticism of moribund then you clearly weren't listening.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Sep 16 11.08am | |
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Barring a miracle Corbyn will win. Maybe all those in the PLP who are not-aligned with him will mount another challenge next year, maybe another one after that until they grind him down.
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