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chris123 hove actually 18 Oct 19 9.50am
Originally posted by susmik This one gives me the greatest pleasure and with a bit of luck he will do as I have suggested and get back in his box and keep his head down. Lot's of scope when the trade deal negotiations start surely?
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hove actually 18 Oct 19 9.50am

Originally posted by susmik

This one gives me the greatest pleasure and with a bit of luck he will do as I have suggested and get back in his box and keep his head down.

Lot's of scope when the trade deal negotiations start surely?

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Midlands Eagle 18 Oct 19 10.00am
Originally posted by chris123 Lot's of scope when the trade deal negotiations start surely? If you are a cricket fan you may recall that Shane Warne once suggested that Monty Panesar hadn't played 50 test matches, he had played the same one fifty times. In a similar vein our friend hasn't made 700 posts in this thread he has made the same post 700 times and as the trade deals won't have much if anything to do with the will of parliament he may have nothing to post about with luck
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Originally posted by chris123

Lot's of scope when the trade deal negotiations start surely?

If you are a cricket fan you may recall that Shane Warne once suggested that Monty Panesar hadn't played 50 test matches, he had played the same one fifty times.

In a similar vein our friend hasn't made 700 posts in this thread he has made the same post 700 times and as the trade deals won't have much if anything to do with the will of parliament he may have nothing to post about

with luck

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Lyons550 Shirley 18 Oct 19 10.09am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Johnson lost yet another vote in the HOC today meaning that MPs will have longer on Saturday to debate and also propose amendments. That could actually be quite significant, maybe allowing Benn to kick in. But why are they voting on this so soon, surely the 'deal' will be a complicated international treaty, how will they have sufficient knowledge to decide within only 2 days? That's down to the procrastination that they have 2 days...they have no one else to blame but themselves. They tried to set Boris up to fail and he comes up with a deal...now they better just get on with it. It makes me laugh when the opposition use the time its taken (3½ years) to get to this point as a justification for a referendum...when its just as much down to them and their obsfucation that its taken that long in the first place. I honestly think in all that time they've only got their act together for a combined 4 weeks working as a collective! The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 18 Oct 19 10.09am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Johnson lost yet another vote in the HOC today meaning that MPs will have longer on Saturday to debate and also propose amendments.

That could actually be quite significant, maybe allowing Benn to kick in.

But why are they voting on this so soon, surely the 'deal' will be a complicated international treaty, how will they have sufficient knowledge to decide within only 2 days?

That's down to the procrastination that they have 2 days...they have no one else to blame but themselves. They tried to set Boris up to fail and he comes up with a deal...now they better just get on with it. It makes me laugh when the opposition use the time its taken (3½ years) to get to this point as a justification for a referendum...when its just as much down to them and their obsfucation that its taken that long in the first place. I honestly think in all that time they've only got their act together for a combined 4 weeks working as a collective!

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chris123 hove actually 18 Oct 19 10.14am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle If you are a cricket fan you may recall that Shane Warne once suggested that Monty Panesar hadn't played 50 test matches, he had played the same one fifty times. In a similar vein our friend hasn't made 700 posts in this thread he has made the same post 700 times and as the trade deals won't have much if anything to do with the will of parliament he may have nothing to post about with luck I do, Warne was right, and it was less than 50!
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hove actually 18 Oct 19 10.14am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

If you are a cricket fan you may recall that Shane Warne once suggested that Monty Panesar hadn't played 50 test matches, he had played the same one fifty times.

with luck

I do, Warne was right, and it was less than 50!

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DANGERCLOSE London 18 Oct 19 10.16am
Originally posted by DanH There’s a lot more concessions but there’s been movement on the Irish issue. It’s workable but it’s still not the Brexit the hardcore or the remainers want. There’s not a lot of detail so the fun times start if/when it gets through Parliament. (I think this one will) Agreed
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Originally posted by DanH

There’s a lot more concessions but there’s been movement on the Irish issue. It’s workable but it’s still not the Brexit the hardcore or the remainers want.

There’s not a lot of detail so the fun times start if/when it gets through Parliament. (I think this one will)

Agreed

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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Oct 19 10.22am
“The prime minister’s desire to meet his short-term political objective of leaving on 31 October, after three and a half years, cannot trump the need for proper scrutiny of a 500+ page document with epochal consequences for Great Britain, Northern Ireland and the EU.” They never learn do they, pass this and it will all be ok. Parliament is being bounced by Johnson and if history is anything to go by, they will baulk.
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“The prime minister’s desire to meet his short-term political objective of leaving on 31 October, after three and a half years, cannot trump the need for proper scrutiny of a 500+ page document with epochal consequences for Great Britain, Northern Ireland and the EU.”

They never learn do they, pass this and it will all be ok.

Parliament is being bounced by Johnson and if history is anything to go by, they will baulk.

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georgenorman 18 Oct 19 10.32am
Surely the time has come for all progressive people to show solidarity by wearing blue berets and bellowing 'stoooooooooop breeeeeeeexit' at all times when in public?
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18 Oct 19 10.32am

Surely the time has come for all progressive people to show solidarity by wearing blue berets and bellowing 'stoooooooooop breeeeeeeexit' at all times when in public?

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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Oct 19 11.29am
Brexit extension unavoidable if MPs reject deal, says Merkel. German chancellor tells EU leaders UK should be offered extension if it is requested. Well that clears up one matter I think.
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Croydon 18 Oct 19 11.29am

Brexit extension unavoidable if MPs reject deal, says Merkel.

German chancellor tells EU leaders UK should be offered extension if it is requested.

Well that clears up one matter I think.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 18 Oct 19 11.40am
Originally posted by DanH There’s a lot more concessions but there’s been movement on the Irish issue. It’s workable but it’s still not the Brexit the hardcore or the remainers want. There’s not a lot of detail so the fun times start if/when it gets through Parliament. (I think this one will) It absolutely won't. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 18 Oct 19 11.40am

Originally posted by DanH

There’s a lot more concessions but there’s been movement on the Irish issue. It’s workable but it’s still not the Brexit the hardcore or the remainers want.

There’s not a lot of detail so the fun times start if/when it gets through Parliament. (I think this one will)

It absolutely won't.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Midlands Eagle 18 Oct 19 11.43am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt It absolutely won't. Then we must have a General Election
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18 Oct 19 11.43am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

It absolutely won't.

Then we must have a General Election

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berlinpalace berlin 18 Oct 19 11.47am
Only a few days ago the Fat Lads Alliance were running around Parliament Square singing ‘No Surrender’, how must they be feeling this morning? Another one of Boris’ cast offs, you’d have to have a heart of stone not to feel for them.
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berlin 18 Oct 19 11.47am

Only a few days ago the Fat Lads Alliance were running around Parliament Square singing ‘No Surrender’, how must they be feeling this morning? Another one of Boris’ cast offs, you’d have to have a heart of stone not to feel for them.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Oct 19 11.54am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't know if you are being deliberately obtuse, along with being rude, or genuinely don't understand. Of course all the people have been trusted, as they should. That's the way our democracy works. My point was about populism generally and not about the referendum in particular. It might have escaped your notice that the way we get our information these days is markedly different to the way we did even 10 years ago. You might think "so what", but it actually changes everything, as I pointed out and won't repeat. It's the primary reason why I don't believe in holding any referendums. I want us to choose who represents us and then let them do it. We make up our minds based on broad principles and general directions, so the impact of populism is somewhat more diluted in a GE though still very evident these days. I think it might be you who is being deliberately obtuse. People were as informed for the referendum as they are for any election. Information technology was used in the main to convince people to Remain and yet the still voted leave. The bottom line is that Parliament approved a referendum by the process that you hold so dear and then didn't like the result. You can't have it both ways.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't know if you are being deliberately obtuse, along with being rude, or genuinely don't understand.

Of course all the people have been trusted, as they should. That's the way our democracy works.

My point was about populism generally and not about the referendum in particular. It might have escaped your notice that the way we get our information these days is markedly different to the way we did even 10 years ago. You might think "so what", but it actually changes everything, as I pointed out and won't repeat.

It's the primary reason why I don't believe in holding any referendums. I want us to choose who represents us and then let them do it. We make up our minds based on broad principles and general directions, so the impact of populism is somewhat more diluted in a GE though still very evident these days.

I think it might be you who is being deliberately obtuse.
People were as informed for the referendum as they are for any election. Information technology was used in the main to convince people to Remain and yet the still voted leave.
The bottom line is that Parliament approved a referendum by the process that you hold so dear and then didn't like the result.

You can't have it both ways.

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