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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Dec 23 5.55pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quite incredible.

People who reported adverse reactions should write to this clown and tell him exactly what they think of his opinion.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Dec 23 7.24pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

I have several friends who had adverse reaction. The kind that would be brushed aside were it not for the publicity drawing attention to them.

None were serious or lasted more than a few hours. All need to be recorded and considered so people can be better prepared and reassured. That’s why they get recorded.

Reassurance is not what John Campbell does. He amplifies fear.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Dec 23 7.36pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The idea that people would seek out and go through the reporting process for a sore arm is an insulting and demeaning comment.

The usual nonsense from the usual source.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Dec 23 11.17pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

People are asked to report any reaction and obviously they do, or the reports wouldn’t be there. It’s only after analysing them that their severity is rated and severe reactions found to be very rare.

I have no idea how common it is but 2 of my friends reported rather more than just soreness. They both had a noticeable lump form which disappeared after a day. It was explained to them that this was probably a local over stimulated immune response, but how accurate that is I don’t know. There were no long lasting effects and they have continued to get the boosters without any further complications.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Dec 23 11.52pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I've heard that only ten percent of adverse reactions ever get reported.

It's just not true that most people who receive injections are aware of the reporting process and/or bother going through a reporting process for whatever reason. The authorities know about this and it's an accepted fact.

As for the consequences of the covid jabs and boosters and their affects on the immune system I can only hope it's positive. I'm not hearing great things but I'll reserve judgement until the system is willing to be objective on the matter.

Once again, the media and governmental response to the massive number of excess deaths (higher than covid) has to stand in stark contrast to their behaviour during the pandemic itself.

In my view we are seeing a massive arse covering exercise.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Dec 23 8.53am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

“I’ve heard”! From Campbell perhaps?

I don’t doubt for a moment that not all reactions are reported, either at the time or in subsequent routine doctor appointments. Most are so mild they are almost unnoticeable. Enough are though for statistically relevant information to be harvested and this indicates that the vaccines are safe and provide much more benefit than risk.

The reasons for the continuing higher number of excess deaths is well understood and has been explained here several times, so won’t be repeated. It is due entirely to the impact of the pandemic on health care services in combination here with an upward trend before the pandemic due to the stress on the NHS.

Those who seek to undermine confidence and frighten people should be ashamed of themselves.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Dec 23 1.21am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I'd argue they did have the data by then but nevertheless.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 23 9.13am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

“Collateral damage” is the inevitable consequence of many decisions. It ought never be criticised in isolation.

Without any evidence of what the consequences of taking any other decision would have been such criticism is just cheap political point scoring.

Which is all that’s on offer here. It’s easy, and understandable, for those directly impacted by collateral damage to complain about it. Those exploiting their misfortune don’t have that excuse.

Only when the collateral damage becomes so overwhelmingly destructive that it is obvious that the cure is worse than the disease, as is currently the situation in Gaza, can such criticism make headway. There human lives are being treated as worthless commodities. With Covid they were treated as being the most precious commodity we possess.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Jan 24 12.06am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The claim that collateral damage was expected (the public weren't told that but instead were fed a diet of one way propaganda) or that we have to accept the consequences of lockdowns and excess deaths because....'we just can't say another way was better'.

These excuses are awful. In the business world a person saying that bad outcomes aren't bad because without their choices they would be worse...unless there were evidence for that claim would quite rightly be sacked on the spot.

When it's pointed out that other countries had better outcomes without the same level of lockdown then we get another excuse....and another excuse.

These people aren't interested in truth, only in arse covering.

Let's be serious, because of the choices that were made the NHS became a Covid service.

Diagnoses of things like Cancer (forms of cancer kill over one in four people) were basically near stopped to perform a covid service for a virus that at its very worse was going to kill one in twenty of our most vulnerable.

The warnings were stated at the time....and ignored....that the consequences of this would prove far worse than any airborn virus. People with common sense know that early diagnoses of cancer is often the most important factor in survival.....but they decided that it was covid and little else.

The fear mongering worked on a population that is far too trusting of the competent of their elites....especially their ability to weigh up all the factors and judge the consequences ..and the systems of regulations.

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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Jan 24 12.12am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

A top doctor comes out and states the reasons being given for excess deaths are just not good enough as they don't explain the scale of the numbers...the fact that the numbers of younger people dying from certain conditions is just too large and that from when these excess deaths started raises questions.

A major problem here is of accountability. The people in authority aren't going to investigate and be honest here because it would literally be turkeys voting for Christmas.

It is only those willing to die by ethics that will come forward.

It's another example of the age old failings of human nature, 'I was just following orders', isn't exclusive to the Nazis, but it's a reality of most people paying their mortgages and/or like their lifestyles.

People will back narratives that are in their best interests regardless of what the truth is.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Jan 24 9.08am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

No one has ever suggested that the outcomes of having to lockdown weren’t bad or known to be going to be bad. Far from it. It was always known. What is suggested is that those who had to make the decisions, rather than just pontificate about them, with the relatively poor data available at the time they needed to be made, decided that to lockdown was the least bad of all the bad scenarios.

Making comparisons with other countries is a pointless diversion. Their circumstances are so dissimilar as to make any comparison meaningless.

Simply pointing out now what has happened when what that result was broadly anticipated is just a point scoring exercise. We know that the late diagnosis of cancer is a major issue. We also know that was going to happen during the pandemic, until the vaccine programme became effective, whatever course of action was followed, but that to allow the virus to spread more freely by not locking down would so overwhelm the NHS as to make the impact worse. That was the decision taken, however reluctantly, by those who actually had to make it.

Clever dicks with theories based on hindsight exist in bars everywhere. Thank goodness they don’t run the country.

Turning now to Professor Angus Dalgleish, who is someone I recall has featured here before. If I recall correctly he was a guest of Dr John Campbell, which is enough on its own to raise suspicions. He is indeed a “top doctor”, with a distinguished record in cancer research. Not though virology. He was also a UKIP candidate and has had a variety of controversial accusations made about him. It is then hardly a surprise to see him with Farage stirring the pot on excess deaths. To claim these are just being ignored and not studied is not credible. Of course they are, as the many studies already done and still continuing demonstrate. Nothing that has been found shows any linkage at all to the vaccine programme, which is what the naysayers want you to believe.

Dalgleish is politically active and subscribes to several conspiracy theories, believing, without any proof, that Covid was a biologically modified virus developed in China. Something that could be true but probably won’t ever be known. He holds stock options in a pharmaceutical company and has been involved in developing cancer vaccines. His position on the excess deaths raises more questions in my mind about him than it does about the excess deaths.

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No one has ever suggested that the outcomes of having to lockdown weren’t bad or known to be going to be bad. Far from it. It was always known. What is suggested is that those who had to make the decisions, rather than just pontificate about them, with the relatively poor data available at the time they needed to be made, decided that to lockdown was the least bad of all the bad scenarios.

Making comparisons with other countries is a pointless diversion. Their circumstances are so dissimilar as to make any comparison meaningless.

Simply pointing out now what has happened when what that result was broadly anticipated is just a point scoring exercise. We know that the late diagnosis of cancer is a major issue. We also know that was going to happen during the pandemic, until the vaccine programme became effective, whatever course of action was followed, but that to allow the virus to spread more freely by not locking down would so overwhelm the NHS as to make the impact worse. That was the decision taken, however reluctantly, by those who actually had to make it.

Clever dicks with theories based on hindsight exist in bars everywhere. Thank goodness they don’t run the country.

Turning now to Professor Angus Dalgleish, who is someone I recall has featured here before. If I recall correctly he was a guest of Dr John Campbell, which is enough on its own to raise suspicions. He is indeed a “top doctor”, with a distinguished record in cancer research. Not though virology. He was also a UKIP candidate and has had a variety of controversial accusations made about him. It is then hardly a surprise to see him with Farage stirring the pot on excess deaths. To claim these are just being ignored and not studied is not credible. Of course they are, as the many studies already done and still continuing demonstrate. Nothing that has been found shows any linkage at all to the vaccine programme, which is what the naysayers want you to believe.

Dalgleish is politically active and subscribes to several conspiracy theories, believing, without any proof, that Covid was a biologically modified virus developed in China. Something that could be true but probably won’t ever be known. He holds stock options in a pharmaceutical company and has been involved in developing cancer vaccines. His position on the excess deaths raises more questions in my mind about him than it does about the excess deaths.

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Any opinion before something happens is guesswork.
Any opinion after it happens is being wise after the event.
Any opinion while it's happening won't include all the relevant information.

Kind of limits any discussion.

 

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