What the elites want to happen is fed down to us as the mainstream messaging, whether that's good for you or not, whether it's true or not....in my view it's largely not good for the majority but that's something else.

Is climate change real? I think there is truth to it, but as predictions have proven over the decades most of what you hear is hyperbole and designed to convince you on a position. However, I do think human activity affects the environment....the atmosphere is comprised of gas, large inputs into it will affect it over time...The extent and how much change is needed can be debated but I don't think that's a radical belief or attaches itself to left or right, dissident or otherwise.

I think moving away from fossil fuels or indeed any finite resource is just common sense for a myriad of reasons. Not least that reducing supply increases the likelihood of resource wars. However, fossil fuel works and you can't just decide that you can flip a switch in relative terms and not reduce large numbers of people to suffering. It's like no one cares about history.

Personally I regard the advocating for green energy as woefully inadequate and criminally costly for the masses. Investment there should mainly be left to the private sector. However the elites have decided....as they tend to on anything....that the common working man/woman should be made to pay for their decisions.

Safe nuclear has to be the main road and I think France have been proven correct for successfully committing to this decades ago, all while we wavered and fudged.....now our costs are ridiculous and it's the fault of our elites, who retired and aren't made to answer.

We are ruled by low quality elites who always do their best to dodge responsibility for anything.

They have been locked into managed decline for generations and talk utter drivel.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 May 2022 3.02pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Among respected experts, there is complete consensus on the under-lying truth that it is real. Differences exist only on the scale and pace, but they are marginal. That there are a few who claim to be experts putting up alternative theories is just par in today's world. Vested interests seek out such people.

Of course, we survived the last ice age. We could survive another, as a species, but in vastly decreased numbers. Not everywhere became uninhabitable.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

This is what you should be focused on:

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Buying a property in Iceland would probably make your grand-children multi-millionaires.

But the sound of the tills would probably put them off.

On a more serious note I think many people are probably underestimating...thanks to media messaging.....the high probability that technology will emerge....some of which is already here that can work against climate change. It is not a static situation and lots of R&D is already invested.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2022 1.24pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Does that mean shop in Waitrose?

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 May 2022 11.28pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Putin has literally repeatedly teased the idea of a nuclear response to get the West to back down over his invasion of his neighbour. I'm not sure that the idea of him saying something much dialled down in comparison intentionally or in error would shock anyone, nor would Lavrov's take on it add much anyway as he's as ludicrous and inflammatory in his conduct as Putin. As much as Punch and Judy 'teams' takes on the complete mess that is US politics are clearly some peoples cup of tea, let's not let hatred of domestic or western political parties sugar coat, or repeatedly create a delusion air of respectability towards someone like Putin and his conduct.

The Kremlin has made plenty of aggressive statements then partially rowed them back. Europe as a whole is pretty much on the same page about its view of Putin's conduct. As for Trump, who may yet win 2024, he's already suggested threatening Russia with nuclear subs as well as bombing them so it's hardly like there's a sober political voice of reason out there for either party. And besides, this cowering, quaking take that we should perpetually be careful in every single thing we say, when Russia is the opposite of that in what they actually 'do' with their smash and grab approach is hardly a show of strength. Americas military might speaks for itself anyway no matter what any President of the day says in the moment.

Edited by BlueJay (24 May 2022 1.00am)