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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 23 12.51pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
One irony being that one of the central arguments raised by Brexiteers was that Johnny Foreigner was over here and under paid thereby depressing local wages. Somehow I don't think they thought this through. Perhaps it was slowly explained but then Boris said "Project Fear" and no further analysis was necessary. Btw I do not share your view that there is a groundswell back to the EU. From recent data Dissatisfied-ers are in the clear majority but Returners are not. Labour are likely to win outright on present polls next GE but will lose the hard left inc the Red Wall if there was even a hint of returning. Hence Starmers U turn. The only chance of returning any time soon would be a hung government where Labour must pact with the Lib Dems. I don't think we will just rejoin. I think that's more likely to take time. I think there will be a halfway house. Either a renegotiated "deal" or some kind of associated membership. What I don't believe is that things will just go on as they are.
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 georgenorman 18 Jun 23 12.51pm |
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quote=silvertop;3803714] Rubbish. Our inflation is worse than the EU and USA. True, it always was before Brexit; but ours has been made worse by Brexit due to the lefty protectionism restricting the free movement of labour we formerly enjoyed. I won't argue your return point as it would take too long to argue every level! ______________________________________________________________ Inflation is caused by governments. Our inflation rate would be about the same whether we were in the EU or not. Edited by georgenorman (18 Jun 2023 12.52pm)
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| silvertop Portishead 18 Jun 23 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
quote=silvertop;3803714] Rubbish. Our inflation is worse than the EU and USA. True, it always was before Brexit; but ours has been made worse by Brexit due to the lefty protectionism restricting the free movement of labour we formerly enjoyed. I won't argue your return point as it would take too long to argue every level! ______________________________________________________________ Inflation is caused by governments. Our inflation rate would be about the same whether we were in the EU or not. Edited by georgenorman (18 Jun 2023 12.52pm) Supply push inflation the same. Wage pull inflation lower.
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cryrst  The garden of England 18 Jun 23 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think we will just rejoin. I think that's more likely to take time. I think there will be a halfway house. Either a renegotiated "deal" or some kind of associated membership. What I don't believe is that things will just go on as they are. A bespoke deal. No shengun, no forced trade contracts, no forced anything.
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| silvertop Portishead 18 Jun 23 4.12pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
A bespoke deal. No shengun, no forced trade contracts, no forced anything. It wouldn't be to our benefit without free movement of goods services AND labour.
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| Jacey 18 Jun 23 6.40pm |
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Where are all the idiots now who orchestrated the vote to leave?? Edited by Jacey (18 Jun 2023 6.40pm)
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| georgenorman 18 Jun 23 6.51pm |
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Originally posted by Jacey
Where are all the idiots now who orchestrated the vote to leave?? Edited by Jacey (18 Jun 2023 6.40pm) Where is Mark Carney now - he was remunerated with £879,000 in 2018 for being a useless, incompetent, politically biased waste of money.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 23 8.58pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
A bespoke deal. No shengun, no forced trade contracts, no forced anything.
A better "deal" would be a good starting point. Just holding hands again, leading to a kiss and make-up will do for now. The heavy breathing can wait until a bit later.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Jun 23 9.07pm |
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Originally posted by Jacey
Where are all the idiots now who orchestrated the vote to leave?? Edited by Jacey (18 Jun 2023 6.40pm) The main one was literally PM for years following Brexit....Gove was in his cabinet and Farage is a public figure who has hardly exited. Errrr....many remainers buggered off to globalist jobs didn't they.....Just how loyal are they eh?
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 18 Jun 23 11.20pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
AKA the Red Wall. Tories more than happy for their votes in 2019. Btw Corbyn as an anti semite, hmm? The tiniest bit of superficial research and you will see this allegation - unquestionably accepted as fact by many - largely links with 2 points. Firstly he was soft on anti semiticism in his party. Probably valid. But not him. Secondly he had sympathy with the Palestinian cause and spoke to hezbolla and hammas. As it tends to do, the Jewish Chronicle conflated this with the hatred of all Jews. Bollox obvs but still widely accepted as fact. Do you accept in full the EHRC report and the definitions of snti semitism it contains? This is the current standard and has been embraced particularly in the Labour party Starmer's strong stance on this is for me one of the few things he has done well and I applaud him for that. There are a lot of Corbynista types keeping their heads down on this issue as they think being a bit anti semitic is ok.
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| silvertop Portishead 19 Jun 23 10.20am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Do you accept in full the EHRC report and the definitions of snti semitism it contains? This is the current standard and has been embraced particularly in the Labour party Starmer's strong stance on this is for me one of the few things he has done well and I applaud him for that. There are a lot of Corbynista types keeping their heads down on this issue as they think being a bit anti semitic is ok. Do you mean the IHRA definition? That has been adopted in this country but note the important caveat correctly inserted by our government. ...It is not antisemitic to criticise the Government of Israel, without additional evidence to suggest antisemitic intent. It is not antisemitic to hold the Israeli Government to the same standards as other liberal democracies, or to take a particular interest in the Israeli Government's policies or actions, without additional evidence to suggest antisemitic intent... Anyway, I thought we were talking about Corbyn. What evidence do you have that he personally hates Jews? When he was in local power, the evidence all pointed the other way.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 19 Jun 23 10.28am |
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So the man who said Brexit was bad now says I told you so. Who could have guessed? He has also said a lot of other nonsense. What is actually remarkable is how well the British economy has withstood the change over to Brexit, a pandemic, the war in Europe, global inflation and supply issues. To say Brexit is failing when retailers and energy producers have indulged in blatant profiteering, fuelling inflation unnecessarily and still complaining at the same time is an insult to the British public. Remainers, globalists and their useful idiot followers are determined to get the world domination agenda back on track. All you will hear is negativity from them. It's exactly what could have been predicted.
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