The English are an officially recognised ethnic group native to these isles. No one is claiming that they have 100 percent linage to be considered English. However, to have none at all makes it a bit risible to claim that ethnicity.

Ethnicity is a word that can mean what the speaker wants and include genes or not include them. To not include them is a bit weird in my view but there you go.

However, this particular poster's viewpoint would and is rejected in the vast majority of the world. Someone's identity isn't just their 'value' system....Currently in the west it can be if that's what they wish it be....Still, those people are 'citizens of anywhere' globalist types because values can be universal and thus highly subjective.

Genes can't be subjective as they are physical.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2024 7.50pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The guy links to pages that specifically mention the genetic connection in ethnicity and then claims it's just cultural.

Sigh.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2024 7.53pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The pages I referenced do NOT refer to genetics being the determining factor of ethnicity. Which is what has been claimed. They concentrate on the many cultural, historical and religious aspects of a person’s heritage. As a side issue a person’s common ancestry is mentioned as a potential marker. Which is obviously true and could be useful to anyone making their determination. It isn’t though a determining factor. That is how people identify themselves.

Nor are the English “officially” recognised as an ethnic group! Who, other than us has the authority to make such a pronouncement? In fact the UK government recognise many ethnicities. None of them English, or Welsh, Scottish or Irish! They are defined purely to try to decide where resources are to be allocated. We are asked to decide if we are, Asian or Asian British, Black, Black British, Caribbean or African, Mixed or multi-ethnic, White (which includes English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish, British, Irish, Gypsy or Irish Traveller, Roma or any other “white” background), and then a catch all of “others”, including Arabs.

Quite a list, which would not be mine, but is as close to “official” as we are going to get. Not a lot of shared genetics there, either collectively or indeed among the classifications, particularly so the “White” one!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

And yet you consistently dismiss or dispute every opinion and fact with which you don't agree. Starting a thread and then disagreeing with every post is an exercise in futility.
Better to start a blog and disable comments.

I don’t disagree with every post though! There have been some taking a broadly similar line to me. Exposing hypocrisy is always a worthwhile exercise anyway.

I disagree only with those who try to suggest the English are defined by genetics, and not by culture. Which is not a position supported by any definition I have found in dictionaries or other respectable sources of reference.

It comes from the usual sources whose true purpose seems to be to exclude people rather than allow them to decide for themselves. Doubtless many they would like to exclude wouldn’t seek inclusion anyway, but that’s not the point. It’s how people self identify that is. Their right. Their choice.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

You didn’t though say I disagree with other’s posts! We all do that, as you do above!

You said I disagree with every post! Which I don’t. I disagree. I agree with some. I ignore others.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.