If Marco Silva had have been our manager we would have beaten them comfortably with our players, its not the players its the tactics

A good summary - i was amazed with the team he put out, the same as Forest except for a suspension. Unbelievable.

After 6 weeks off, 4 weeks working with the players, how has PV and Roberts not learnt from the Forest debacle?

Zaha upfront in away games when the opposition push up is a decent call, it doesn't work when teams sit deep (Forest) or at home.

Tomkins in defence must have been known about 6 weeks ago but it looked like he was confused by his role. Both bookings were stupid and avoidable - yes Mitrovic made a meal of it, but was this much different from Andersen at Liverpool? Tomkins could have been 'smart' and run across his line, making it look like he was being fouled, instead he was lazy and just tried to block with an arm.

After the sending off surely one of Eze and Olise needed to be taken off - neither were doing much (again) and clearly we needed to 10 to work hard and be organised, something neither are great at.

But must worrying for me what is our attacking strategy? Goalie rolls it out to a defender, the midfield rarely come to collect and so we end up going long despite having not one of the front 4 capable of winning a header (Zaha is 6 ft FFS - it's about time he learnt).

Also, when Mitrovic is their greatest threat from set pieces why did we not put our best header up against him? Even in open play he drifted to the back to attack Clyne and repeatedly neither centre back went with him.

Their first goal was nicely worked by showed our limitations.
We gave the ball cheaply trying to pass it out of defence and then Mitrovic went wide to receive a pass - no one goes with him.
When he crossed it a small midfielder runs in and scores a good header - neither centre back or a midfielder tracked the run.

Just out of interest when has say Olise, Eze or Zaha made this type of run? Maybe Eze v Wolves. Zaha usually just hides at the back post, rather than gambling and making a run (play off goal v Brighton run has never been repeated).

Overall a really disappointing performance

Appears that all the early optimism regarding Vieira appointment has disappeared and that we are struggling to see where the next win is coming.
Are we in a fight for survival this season so soon and exactly what are our American owners going to do to simply ensure our survival,given that Zaha is surely out the door???
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I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, we have two major problems atm:

1. PV - There was rightly a lot of optimism surrounding him and his start, he plays good football, can attract players to the palace and there was a general good feel about the gaff. Does scream to me, however, of the ol' saying 'When it's good it's good, but when it's bad it's BAD!!'. He has his faults (subs etc.) of course but which manager doesn't? My concern is that our downhill form could start to accelerate with no signs of halting lest reversing this trajectory in sight. I have reservations over PV's ability to deal with this.

2. Ownership - when we say ownership, we usually refer to 'funding'. As it stands, we have two good CBs and some nice 'flair' players in the squad. That's lovely. However, what is less so, is possibly our best player of all time may soon be leaving, we have gaps in the starting XI let alone the lack of depth in the squad, and our star players can look somewhat lightweight when the stomach for a fight is needed.

My fear is that we will not see any new incoming players (and when I say that, I mean individuals who will come in and make a difference to the first team, not yet more 'one for future, Moldovan Maradonas etc etc) , our slump will continue and PV will not have the answers for this. I fear the latter may be true but the former is almost guaranteed.

I don't agree with that. I think by and large Viera has been very good for us. Attacking, exciting young players but we are under performing and were comprehensively outplayed by Fulham. My only question was the absence of either Edouard or Mateta in attack which I think would have made a big difference against the excellent Diop, even if only to allow more space for Zaha and Olise. Something clearly gone on in the background with these two.

if we win our next game it will go back to "can we finsish top 6?" then loose to spurs and its doom and gloom again! then beat southampton and how far in the fa cup we go....

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