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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 23 10.08pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I guess in WE's head Facebook banning anyone who mentioned that the virus came from a lab and YT putting disinformation messages and linking to the WHO and then eventually banning anyone outright who was stating that covid was from a lab was just everyone's imagination. Even mentioning covid meant that the social media sites viewed you negatively. Methinks he only sees what he wants to see. Perhaps if he wants to learn about some truths he should start watching 'basement' videos because it looks like his editors and lawyers are sadly falling down on the job. That is pure misinformation. Facebook did not ban anyone who mentioned the virus came from a lab. For about 3 months they removed posts that suggested the virus was man made, which is quite different. It was an effort to restrict misinformation, reassure the public and support the efforts of the WHO during a worldwide pandemic. As soon as it was considered safe to do so, the restrictions were lifted. FB is not part of the MSM. It is unedited social media, which is privately owned and free to implement whatever standards it chooses. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 23 10.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I guess in WE's head Facebook banning anyone who mentioned that the virus came from a lab and YT putting disinformation messages and linking to the WHO and then eventually banning anyone outright who was stating that covid was from a lab was just everyone's imagination.

Even mentioning covid meant that the social media sites viewed you negatively.

Methinks he only sees what he wants to see.

Perhaps if he wants to learn about some truths he should start watching 'basement' videos because it looks like his editors and lawyers are sadly falling down on the job.

That is pure misinformation. Facebook did not ban anyone who mentioned the virus came from a lab. For about 3 months they removed posts that suggested the virus was man made, which is quite different. It was an effort to restrict misinformation, reassure the public and support the efforts of the WHO during a worldwide pandemic. As soon as it was considered safe to do so, the restrictions were lifted. FB is not part of the MSM. It is unedited social media, which is privately owned and free to implement whatever standards it chooses.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 03 Mar 23 5.27am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That is pure misinformation. Facebook did not ban anyone who mentioned the virus came from a lab. For about 3 months they removed posts that suggested the virus was man made, which is quite different. It was an effort to restrict misinformation, reassure the public and support the efforts of the WHO during a worldwide pandemic. As soon as it was considered safe to do so, the restrictions were lifted. FB is not part of the MSM. It is unedited social media, which is privately owned and free to implement whatever standards it chooses. What is true cannot be 'misinformation. Suppression of the truth is not 'reassurance'. That's pure authoritarianism. You directly supported the suppression of the truth because you are the very example of establishment shilling, whether deliberately or from pure ignorance driven by ideology. As for the suggestion that Facebook isn't part of the MSM....it's literally called 'social media'. The level of falsehood here is something else. In 2022 Facebook was calculated as having 1.908 billion daily active users worldwide. For crying out loud just how mainstream does something have to get. That dwarfs any mainstream outlet. It's news and media information is literally read by hundreds of millions on its pages. The FBI literally went to Facebook during the election cycle to ensure that they restricted what could be shown on their pages. Yet here is you saying it isn't part of the MSM. This is yet another example of how you only care about your opinion rather than any objective reflection of a truth. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2023 5.38am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Mar 23 5.27am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What is true cannot be 'misinformation.

Suppression of the truth is not 'reassurance'. That's pure authoritarianism.

You directly supported the suppression of the truth because you are the very example of establishment shilling, whether deliberately or from pure ignorance driven by ideology.

As for the suggestion that Facebook isn't part of the MSM....it's literally called 'social media'. The level of falsehood here is something else. In 2022 Facebook was calculated as having 1.908 billion daily active users worldwide. For crying out loud just how mainstream does something have to get. That dwarfs any mainstream outlet. It's news and media information is literally read by hundreds of millions on its pages. The FBI literally went to Facebook during the election cycle to ensure that they restricted what could be shown on their pages. Yet here is you saying it isn't part of the MSM.

This is yet another example of how you only care about your opinion rather than any objective reflection of a truth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2023 5.38am)

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Stirlingsays 03 Mar 23 5.51am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm not sure why anyone is suprised that the government was driven by optics as much as science. This is the reality we live in. It is also far too easy to judge with hindsight. Let's be completely honest. Whatever the government had done, it would have been criticised by the opposition, 'experts' with opposing ideas and the Leftist media. There have been victims of government action and there would have been victims of government inaction. It was a no win scenario. I think that argument always has some validity. That these were difficult decisions is not questioned. However, government isn't admitting it made the wrong decisions because obviously it would be liable. However, this is the price of power. If you put yourself forward as the head of the tree where your decisions affect the lives of god knows how many millions then decisions that result in damaging consequences aren't going to be buried and forgotten. There was a choice at the start of covid. One week Johnson announced the official policy that was close to what turned out to be Sweden's.....of course cue the screaming from the usual suspects.....then the next week we got the lockdown policies, with its removal of liberties and enforcement of state power, this became the received group think all over Europe. A hell of a lot of people agreed with lockdowns. A few people didn't and said that the consequences of lockdowns wouldn't only economically wreck us but end up killing more people than the virus. Any policy, motivated by emotion, especially fear, is highly likely to be unwise. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Mar 23 5.51am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not sure why anyone is suprised that the government was driven by optics as much as science.

This is the reality we live in.

It is also far too easy to judge with hindsight.

Let's be completely honest. Whatever the government had done, it would have been criticised by the opposition, 'experts' with opposing ideas and the Leftist media.

There have been victims of government action and there would have been victims of government inaction. It was a no win scenario.

I think that argument always has some validity. That these were difficult decisions is not questioned.

However, government isn't admitting it made the wrong decisions because obviously it would be liable.

However, this is the price of power. If you put yourself forward as the head of the tree where your decisions affect the lives of god knows how many millions then decisions that result in damaging consequences aren't going to be buried and forgotten.

There was a choice at the start of covid. One week Johnson announced the official policy that was close to what turned out to be Sweden's.....of course cue the screaming from the usual suspects.....then the next week we got the lockdown policies, with its removal of liberties and enforcement of state power, this became the received group think all over Europe.

A hell of a lot of people agreed with lockdowns.

A few people didn't and said that the consequences of lockdowns wouldn't only economically wreck us but end up killing more people than the virus.

Any policy, motivated by emotion, especially fear, is highly likely to be unwise.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 23 8.28am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What is true cannot be 'misinformation. Suppression of the truth is not 'reassurance'. That's pure authoritarianism. You directly supported the suppression of the truth because you are the very example of establishment shilling, whether deliberately or from pure ignorance driven by ideology. As for the suggestion that Facebook isn't part of the MSM....it's literally called 'social media'. The level of falsehood here is something else. In 2022 Facebook was calculated as having 1.908 billion daily active users worldwide. For crying out loud just how mainstream does something have to get. That dwarfs any mainstream outlet. It's news and media information is literally read by hundreds of millions on its pages. The FBI literally went to Facebook during the election cycle to ensure that they restricted what could be shown on their pages. Yet here is you saying it isn't part of the MSM. This is yet another example of how you only care about your opinion rather than any objective reflection of a truth. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2023 5.38am) Oddly for you, the highlighted phrase is true. Unfortunately, as is quite usual for you, it isn't the point. The virus being man made isn't true. It's possibly true, just as it escaping from a lab, or spreading from a wet market are also possibly true. The origin remains unproven. Perhaps you need to read this to understand why:- [Link] I don't support the suppression of truth! The very reverse is true. When anyone promotes a theory, claiming it to be true when it remains unproven, I want that lie suppressed. You are again talking nonsense in trying to claim that Facebook is part of the MSM. Indeed, Facebook was probably the reason the term MSM was created. The MSM refers specifically and solely to the traditional media. Newspapers and broadcasters. Not the alternative media that has emerged in the internet age. FB is part of the alternative media. I have never suggested that FB isn't an important, powerful, influence in opinion forming. It obviously is, but it isn't part of the MSM. The distinction is important, not because of its reach or influence, but because of the very different way it functions. The MSM is produced by journalists, and Oped writers, under the control of Boards and editors. The alternative media is produced only by its users. Removing content that conflicts with the standards set by the owners of the media, whether at the behest of security services or themselves, is their right. There are sufficient alternatives to suit everyone. If you wish to express a view, you can. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 23 8.28am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What is true cannot be 'misinformation.

Suppression of the truth is not 'reassurance'. That's pure authoritarianism.

You directly supported the suppression of the truth because you are the very example of establishment shilling, whether deliberately or from pure ignorance driven by ideology.

This is yet another example of how you only care about your opinion rather than any objective reflection of a truth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2023 5.38am)

Oddly for you, the highlighted phrase is true. Unfortunately, as is quite usual for you, it isn't the point.

The virus being man made isn't true. It's possibly true, just as it escaping from a lab, or spreading from a wet market are also possibly true. The origin remains unproven. Perhaps you need to read this to understand why:-

[Link]

I don't support the suppression of truth! The very reverse is true. When anyone promotes a theory, claiming it to be true when it remains unproven, I want that lie suppressed.

You are again talking nonsense in trying to claim that Facebook is part of the MSM. Indeed, Facebook was probably the reason the term MSM was created.

The MSM refers specifically and solely to the traditional media. Newspapers and broadcasters. Not the alternative media that has emerged in the internet age. FB is part of the alternative media.

I have never suggested that FB isn't an important, powerful, influence in opinion forming. It obviously is, but it isn't part of the MSM. The distinction is important, not because of its reach or influence, but because of the very different way it functions. The MSM is produced by journalists, and Oped writers, under the control of Boards and editors. The alternative media is produced only by its users. Removing content that conflicts with the standards set by the owners of the media, whether at the behest of security services or themselves, is their right. There are sufficient alternatives to suit everyone. If you wish to express a view, you can.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 03 Mar 23 9.18am
Two internet users are still in voluntary lock-down. Timings of the posts indicate persistent/continuous use of internet during normal waking hours, ..and beyond. At what point will their weeks of self-isolation and foreplay be brought to an appropriate conclusion by one of the users selecting an alternative website, such as "Book-a-room.com" ? although the hotel will have to be outside Cornwall, as WE doesn't care much for outsiders visiting the area. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 Mar 2023 9.20am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Two internet users are still in voluntary lock-down. Timings of the posts indicate persistent/continuous use of internet during normal waking hours, ..and beyond.
At what point will their weeks of self-isolation and foreplay be brought to an appropriate conclusion by one of the users selecting an alternative website, such as "Book-a-room.com" ?

although the hotel will have to be outside Cornwall, as WE doesn't care much for outsiders visiting the area.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 Mar 2023 9.20am)

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Stirlingsays 03 Mar 23 9.33am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Oddly for you, the highlighted phrase is true. Unfortunately, as is quite usual for you, it isn't the point. The virus being man made isn't true. It's possibly true, just as it escaping from a lab, or spreading from a wet market are also possibly true. The origin remains unproven. Perhaps you need to read this to understand why:- [Link] I don't support the suppression of truth! The very reverse is true. When anyone promotes a theory, claiming it to be true when it remains unproven, I want that lie suppressed. You are again talking nonsense in trying to claim that Facebook is part of the MSM. Indeed, Facebook was probably the reason the term MSM was created. The MSM refers specifically and solely to the traditional media. Newspapers and broadcasters. Not the alternative media that has emerged in the internet age. FB is part of the alternative media. I have never suggested that FB isn't an important, powerful, influence in opinion forming. It obviously is, but it isn't part of the MSM. The distinction is important, not because of its reach or influence, but because of the very different way it functions. The MSM is produced by journalists, and Oped writers, under the control of Boards and editors. The alternative media is produced only by its users. Removing content that conflicts with the standards set by the owners of the media, whether at the behest of security services or themselves, is their right. There are sufficient alternatives to suit everyone. If you wish to express a view, you can. Your post is just the usual opinion piece nonsense laden full of excuses for your terrible political stances. Worth trolling once in a while I suppose but I can't take you that seriously anymore.....it's just wind up fodder. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2023 9.37am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Mar 23 9.33am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oddly for you, the highlighted phrase is true. Unfortunately, as is quite usual for you, it isn't the point.

[Link]

I don't support the suppression of truth! The very reverse is true. When anyone promotes a theory, claiming it to be true when it remains unproven, I want that lie suppressed.

You are again talking nonsense in trying to claim that Facebook is part of the MSM. Indeed, Facebook was probably the reason the term MSM was created.

The MSM refers specifically and solely to the traditional media. Newspapers and broadcasters. Not the alternative media that has emerged in the internet age. FB is part of the alternative media.

Your post is just the usual opinion piece nonsense laden full of excuses for your terrible political stances.

Worth trolling once in a while I suppose but I can't take you that seriously anymore.....it's just wind up fodder.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2023 9.37am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 23 9.35am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Two internet users are still in voluntary lock-down. Timings of the posts indicate persistent/continuous use of internet during normal waking hours, ..and beyond. At what point will their weeks of self-isolation and foreplay be brought to an appropriate conclusion by one of the users selecting an alternative website, such as "Book-a-room.com" ? although the hotel will have to be outside Cornwall, as WE doesn't care much for outsiders visiting the area. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 Mar 2023 9.20am) Untrue. I played bowls yesterday, as well as walked my dog for an hour and a half in gorgeous sunny weather. He had a swim in the Fal. I will play again this afternoon. We started playing bowls again as soon as the lockdown brakes were eased. Great sport to play whilst managing social distancing. We welcome visitors here with open arms. Not those who leave holiday homes unoccupied though. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 23 9.35am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

although the hotel will have to be outside Cornwall, as WE doesn't care much for outsiders visiting the area.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 Mar 2023 9.20am)

Untrue.

I played bowls yesterday, as well as walked my dog for an hour and a half in gorgeous sunny weather. He had a swim in the Fal.

I will play again this afternoon. We started playing bowls again as soon as the lockdown brakes were eased. Great sport to play whilst managing social distancing.

We welcome visitors here with open arms. Not those who leave holiday homes unoccupied though.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 03 Mar 23 11.08am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Untrue. I played bowls yesterday, as well as walked my dog for an hour and a half in gorgeous sunny weather. He had a swim in the Fal. I will play again this afternoon. We started playing bowls again as soon as the lockdown brakes were eased. Great sport to play whilst managing social distancing. We welcome visitors here with open arms. Not those who leave holiday homes unoccupied though. I think a lot of us would agree that you playing bowls is definitely better than you talking bowls. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Mar 23 11.08am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Untrue.

I played bowls yesterday, as well as walked my dog for an hour and a half in gorgeous sunny weather. He had a swim in the Fal.

I will play again this afternoon. We started playing bowls again as soon as the lockdown brakes were eased. Great sport to play whilst managing social distancing.

We welcome visitors here with open arms. Not those who leave holiday homes unoccupied though.

I think a lot of us would agree that you playing bowls is definitely better than you talking bowls.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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eaglesdare 03 Mar 23 11.50am
The virus was man made and leaked from the lab in china. I am sure official confirmation on this will come out eventually when things cool down. lockdown policy was ridiculous then and its even more ridiculous now thinking back on it. How could we let our freedoms and human rights get taken away from us over a flu.
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03 Mar 23 11.50am

The virus was man made and leaked from the lab in china. I am sure official confirmation on this will come out eventually when things cool down.

lockdown policy was ridiculous then and its even more ridiculous now thinking back on it. How could we let our freedoms and human rights get taken away from us over a flu.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 23 12.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think a lot of us would agree that you playing bowls is definitely better than you talking bowls. Is that supposed to be funny, or just the American spelling? I talk bowls all the time. I encourage everyone to take up the sport. It's infinitely better than taking balls. Which, as with every other subject under the sun, you are an expert on. However and very unusually, in this case it's justified by your long personal experience. You practice relentlessly. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 23 12.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think a lot of us would agree that you playing bowls is definitely better than you talking bowls.

Is that supposed to be funny, or just the American spelling?

I talk bowls all the time. I encourage everyone to take up the sport. It's infinitely better than taking balls. Which, as with every other subject under the sun, you are an expert on. However and very unusually, in this case it's justified by your long personal experience. You practice relentlessly.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Mar 23 4.55pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Is that supposed to be funny, or just the American spelling? I talk bowls all the time. I encourage everyone to take up the sport. It's infinitely better than taking balls. Which, as with every other subject under the sun, you are an expert on. However and very unusually, in this case it's justified by your long personal experience. You practice relentlessly. You’re not that into teabagging after trying it? COYP
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Caterham 03 Mar 23 4.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Is that supposed to be funny, or just the American spelling?

You’re not that into teabagging after trying it?

COYP

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Stirlingsays 03 Mar 23 5.48pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman You’re not that into teabagging after trying it? I imagine that when he finds new and exciting nudist beaches he does little else. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Mar 23 5.48pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You’re not that into teabagging after trying it?

I imagine that when he finds new and exciting nudist beaches he does little else.

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