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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 22 9.22am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Net zero is the biggest con ever. I so wish I could put you in contact with the climate scientist I knew more than 20 years ago. She would have been able to convince you that you are wrong, of that I am 100% certain. She knew it is true. She had the stats, and was one of our leading people interpreting them. She had no interest in, or influence from, politicians. She was the least money motivated person I have ever known, lived simply, worked all hours and was dedicated to the truth and nothing else. This level of climate change is not a natural variation. It is man made and the result of the pace of industrialisation. If we fail to deal with it, our grandchildren will suffer all the pain imaginable. We need to suffer some of that pain now, to protect them. It has nothing to do with people seeking profit, although some will profit. The profit motive being the best driver of action. We are steering the direction.
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cryrst The garden of England 03 Aug 22 9.56am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I so wish I could put you in contact with the climate scientist I knew more than 20 years ago. She would have been able to convince you that you are wrong, of that I am 100% certain. She knew it is true. She had the stats, and was one of our leading people interpreting them. She had no interest in, or influence from, politicians. She was the least money motivated person I have ever known, lived simply, worked all hours and was dedicated to the truth and nothing else. This level of climate change is not a natural variation. It is man made and the result of the pace of industrialisation. If we fail to deal with it, our grandchildren will suffer all the pain imaginable. We need to suffer some of that pain now, to protect them. It has nothing to do with people seeking profit, although some will profit. The profit motive being the best driver of action. We are steering the direction. So she could explain why the ice caps melted way before 200 years ago; 6 x in 600k years? She can explain why she won’t alter her stance as to why CO2 isn’t the main problem for ‘global warming’ but methane is. (28 x quicker over 100 years). She can explain why the worst case scenario is used; not a mean temperature rise of even the lowest it might be. I have said that I think we are contributing; my concern is the actual amount of impact.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Aug 22 11.30am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I so wish I could put you in contact with the climate scientist I knew more than 20 years ago. She would have been able to convince you that you are wrong, of that I am 100% certain. She knew it is true. She had the stats, and was one of our leading people interpreting them. She had no interest in, or influence from, politicians. She was the least money motivated person I have ever known, lived simply, worked all hours and was dedicated to the truth and nothing else. This level of climate change is not a natural variation. It is man made and the result of the pace of industrialisation. If we fail to deal with it, our grandchildren will suffer all the pain imaginable. We need to suffer some of that pain now, to protect them. It has nothing to do with people seeking profit, although some will profit. The profit motive being the best driver of action. We are steering the direction. I suspect people would take it more seriously - even jump right on board with it - if they saw the government and companies being proactive. This has been mooted for years and it's pretty obvious where I live, and in Britain, that we could have renewable energy coming out of ears, from the sea and from rivers, wind and solar power. Instead, governments have done nothing and are just charging people extra tax money. That money isn't doing anything either except the usual.
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cryrst The garden of England 03 Aug 22 11.46am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I suspect people would take it more seriously - even jump right on board with it - if they saw the government and companies being proactive. This has been mooted for years and it's pretty obvious where I live, and in Britain, that we could have renewable energy coming out of ears, from the sea and from rivers, wind and solar power. Instead, governments have done nothing and are just charging people extra tax money. That money isn't doing anything either except the usual. If the planet was as fecked as these scientists say then what you propose would be happening worldwide. We would all be offered a turbine in our gardens and solar panels on our roofs for free as if in their opinion ; nothing is done we are done for anyway. Why put a timeline of 2050 if it’s that bad. Damage done in the next 28 years apparently won’t matter
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Aug 22 12.10pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
If the planet was as fecked as these scientists say then what you propose would be happening worldwide. We would all be offered a turbine in our gardens and solar panels on our roofs for free as if in their opinion ; nothing is done we are done for anyway. Why put a timeline of 2050 if it’s that bad. Damage done in the next 28 years apparently won’t matter You have good points. The solar panels currently and the grants are a joke. We could all have small turbines - they don't have to be expensive. We could use the power of our down pipes, sewers and gutters too. Particularly storm drains - yet nothing.
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Stirlingsays 03 Aug 22 1.15pm | |
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Whatever the extent of climate change it only really matters what India, China and the US are doing. The rest is just performative.
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Teddy Eagle 03 Aug 22 1.49pm | |
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Round we go again.
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W12 03 Aug 22 2.38pm | |
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Another good summary: Attachment: IMG_2598.MP4 (17,457.86Kb)
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Stirlingsays 03 Aug 22 3.36pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
Another good summary: Andrew Tate is a mixed character for me. What he says here is true as in the downgrade for the majority since the time of the boomers....the modern slave point - minus the previous freedoms all enacted by leaders who present themselves as bettering lives. However, these points are well known on the dissident right and he's just repackaging them for normies looking for a masculine leader. The problem with Tate is that he's someone who himself exploits for gain....so while I think he has muscular ideology for men, some of which I think is needed....he himself probably isn't the best figure to give it.
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W12 03 Aug 22 3.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Andrew Tate is a mixed character for me. What he says here is true as in the downgrade for the majority since the time of the boomers....the modern slave point - minus the previous freedoms all enacted by leaders who present themselves as bettering lives. However, these points are well known on the dissident right and he's just repackaging them for normies looking for a masculine leader. The problem with Tate is that he's someone who himself exploits for gain....so while I think he has muscular ideology for men, some of which I think is needed....he himself probably isn't the best figure to give it. I would generally agree with that. He just lays it out very well in this instance.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 22 5.30pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So she could explain why the ice caps melted way before 200 years ago; 6 x in 600k years? She can explain why she won’t alter her stance as to why CO2 isn’t the main problem for ‘global warming’ but methane is. (28 x quicker over 100 years). She can explain why the worst case scenario is used; not a mean temperature rise of even the lowest it might be. I have said that I think we are contributing; my concern is the actual amount of impact. Yes, she could explain all of those things. The contribution from natural variation is well understood and monitored. The various contributions from human activity is as well. That the press concentrates on one area, and not another, doesn't mean the scientists do. Unless you are one of those scientists, you are not qualified to make judgements. You say you have concerns. I know my old contact would completely allay those concerns. You seem convinced that this is all a devious plan by business and governments to exploit fear and gain control. I am 100% sure it isn't, because my contact convinced me. Cynicism can sometimes be sensible, but it can also be dangerous.
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Stirlingsays 03 Aug 22 6.58pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
I would generally agree with that. He just lays it out very well in this instance. Agreed.
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