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W12 22 Apr 22 11.55am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
So Macron will probably win due to older voters? LOL. Still, I guess those of us who want a Le Pen vote have more class than to wish for the speedy demise of elderly people unlike some people I can mention. Ain't dat the truth
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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Apr 22 12.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When you stand on the extremes, your view is always going to be distorted. You have no interest in saving "this country"! Your only interest is in saving your own view of want you want our country to be, and then imposing that vision on everyone else. You cannot tolerate change that doesn't suit you, and refuse to adapt to suit the new environment. You are a social dinosaur waiting for the asteroid. Absolutely laughable coming from you. A man who wanted to overturn a democratic referendum because he didn't like the result.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Apr 22 1.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Absolutely laughable coming from you. A man who wanted to overturn a democratic referendum because he didn't like the result. Total rubbish. All I ever wanted was for our Parliamentary democracy to work the way it is intended to work. I was against a referendum in the first place, as the issues were too complex to be left to the winds of chance implicit in a political campaign, especially one which was tainted by foreign interference and blatant lies. Parliament, having given the result of that referendum legitimacy, then had the opportunity to double-check whether the mood of the country remained the same, after so much time had passed and the understanding of the issues had improved. They bottled it, through a lack of leadership by the opposition and a level of fear in the "Brexit at any costs" mob. The latter approving of referendums when the result went their way, but against them when there was a chance they might not. They're not democrats at all. They are all political opportunists, like Johnson. Interested only in what they perceive as their best interests, and not that of the country as a whole. They sold the country down the river with scumbag tactics and catchy slogans straight from the world of soap powder ads. Which is no way to run a country.
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Teddy Eagle 22 Apr 22 2.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Total rubbish. All I ever wanted was for our Parliamentary democracy to work the way it is intended to work. I was against a referendum in the first place, as the issues were too complex to be left to the winds of chance implicit in a political campaign, especially one which was tainted by foreign interference and blatant lies. Parliament, having given the result of that referendum legitimacy, then had the opportunity to double-check whether the mood of the country remained the same, after so much time had passed and the understanding of the issues had improved. They bottled it, through a lack of leadership by the opposition and a level of fear in the "Brexit at any costs" mob. The latter approving of referendums when the result went their way, but against them when there was a chance they might not. They're not democrats at all. They are all political opportunists, like Johnson. Interested only in what they perceive as their best interests, and not that of the country as a whole. They sold the country down the river with scumbag tactics and catchy slogans straight from the world of soap powder ads. Which is no way to run a country. Then why not "double check" the election results? It's the same people voting.
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georgenorman 22 Apr 22 3.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Total rubbish. All I ever wanted was for our Parliamentary democracy to work the way it is intended to work. I was against a referendum in the first place, as the issues were too complex to be left to the winds of chance implicit in a political campaign, especially one which was tainted by foreign interference and blatant lies. Parliament, having given the result of that referendum legitimacy, then had the opportunity to double-check whether the mood of the country remained the same, after so much time had passed and the understanding of the issues had improved. They bottled it, through a lack of leadership by the opposition and a level of fear in the "Brexit at any costs" mob. The latter approving of referendums when the result went their way, but against them when there was a chance they might not. They're not democrats at all. They are all political opportunists, like Johnson. Interested only in what they perceive as their best interests, and not that of the country as a whole. They sold the country down the river with scumbag tactics and catchy slogans straight from the world of soap powder ads. Which is no way to run a country. So if Remain had won you would have wanted you would have wanted the same thing to happen?
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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Apr 22 4.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Total rubbish. All I ever wanted was for our Parliamentary democracy to work the way it is intended to work. I was against a referendum in the first place, as the issues were too complex to be left to the winds of chance implicit in a political campaign, especially one which was tainted by foreign interference and blatant lies. Parliament, having given the result of that referendum legitimacy, then had the opportunity to double-check whether the mood of the country remained the same, after so much time had passed and the understanding of the issues had improved. They bottled it, through a lack of leadership by the opposition and a level of fear in the "Brexit at any costs" mob. The latter approving of referendums when the result went their way, but against them when there was a chance they might not. They're not democrats at all. They are all political opportunists, like Johnson. Interested only in what they perceive as their best interests, and not that of the country as a whole. They sold the country down the river with scumbag tactics and catchy slogans straight from the world of soap powder ads. Which is no way to run a country. Ridiculous. That is Wisbech speak for rerunning the referendum until you get the right result. The people decided with the same level of knowledge that they have for any election. You really can't be taken seriously.
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cryrst The garden of England 22 Apr 22 7.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Total rubbish. All I ever wanted was for our Parliamentary democracy to work the way it is intended to work. I was against a referendum in the first place, as the issues were too complex to be left to the winds of chance implicit in a political campaign, especially one which was tainted by foreign interference and blatant lies. Parliament, having given the result of that referendum legitimacy, then had the opportunity to double-check whether the mood of the country remained the same, after so much time had passed and the understanding of the issues had improved. They bottled it, through a lack of leadership by the opposition and a level of fear in the "Brexit at any costs" mob. The latter approving of referendums when the result went their way, but against them when there was a chance they might not. They're not democrats at all. They are all political opportunists, like Johnson. Interested only in what they perceive as their best interests, and not that of the country as a whole. They sold the country down the river with scumbag tactics and catchy slogans straight from the world of soap powder ads. Which is no way to run a country. I doubt that the people at the top carrying out brexit due to the public wanting it; did it for a tick in the box. They clearly did it because they feel it is in the best interest of UK.plc.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 22 Apr 22 7.35pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I doubt that the people at the top carrying out brexit due to the public wanting it; did it for a tick in the box. They clearly did it because they feel it is in the best interest of UK.plc. Its not going to well at the moment- how long we got to wait? 100 years? Jacobs 50?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Apr 22 9.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Then why not "double check" the election results? It's the same people voting. Totally different circumstances. Elections are checked, every 5 years. Membership of the EU was last checked 40 years previously. When the vote was held in 2016 the difficulties in securing a "deal" were unknown to everyone. The Leave campaign had promised it could be done in a matter of days, with the EU desperate to make sure the UK market was secure for them. 4 years later, we knew better about that, and also about many aspects of us withdrawing. We needed to confirm given all we now knew. If you set off on a journey not knowing what lay around the first corner, but were promised a smooth road and sunshine, only to find lots of bumps and rain, would you not want to be asked if you wanted to continue, or choose another route?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Apr 22 9.36pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
So if Remain had won you would have wanted you would have wanted the same thing to happen? No, because we had certainty on what the status quo involved, there would have been no need to negotiate a deal, so nothing to confirm. Decide to remain. We remain.
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georgenorman 22 Apr 22 9.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Totally different circumstances. Elections are checked, every 5 years. Membership of the EU was last checked 40 years previously. When the vote was held in 2016 the difficulties in securing a "deal" were unknown to everyone. The Leave campaign had promised it could be done in a matter of days, with the EU desperate to make sure the UK market was secure for them. 4 years later, we knew better about that, and also about many aspects of us withdrawing. We needed to confirm given all we now knew. If you set off on a journey not knowing what lay around the first corner, but were promised a smooth road and sunshine, only to find lots of bumps and rain, would you not want to be asked if you wanted to continue, or choose another route? No it wasn't. The 1975 referendum was on membership of the EEC which was a trading arrangement, not the non-democratic federation that the EU is.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Apr 22 9.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Ridiculous. That is Wisbech speak for rerunning the referendum until you get the right result. The people decided with the same level of knowledge that they have for any election. You really can't be taken seriously. That's simply untrue and the reasoning of a "Leaver at any cost" who is impervious to common sense. All who voted to remain knew exactly what they were voting for. Many, if not all, of those voting to leave voted on promises that weren't delivered. The promised "easy" deal was revealed as mythical as the £350 million a week for the NHS!
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