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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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  georgenorman  22 Feb 22 2.57pm |
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This must be you Tineye
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| silvertop Portishead 22 Feb 22 3.52pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
If you want someone to be your friend, you won't get it by imposing sanctions on them, will you. Or disrespecting them and blatantly provoking them.
You can respect without appeasement; and how do you check their advance other than through sanctions or military force? The Russians feel a great deal of pain at losing the Cold War but you don't make them feel better by sitting back and allowing them to expand by force to reoccupy the former USSR.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 22 Feb 22 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
You can respect without appeasement; and how do you check their advance other than through sanctions or military force? The Russians feel a great deal of pain at losing the Cold War but you don't make them feel better by sitting back and allowing them to expand by force to reoccupy the former USSR. NATO became an aggressive and expansive force after the cold war, Russia kept to its borders. NATO agreed not to expand eastwards beyond the Elbe, instead it has become like an occupier, in Ukraine willed on by its foolish president ignoring the Minsk agreements. Whether we agree or not, its too much for Russia and they are calling time on it. The region annexed in 2014 Crimea has voted 90% to stay in the Russian Federation, these two regions change should be easy with Russia guaranteeing their banking pensions security. Above all they are Russian, Ukraine even tried to stop them speaking their own language.
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| georgenorman 22 Feb 22 5.08pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
NATO became an aggressive and expansive force after the cold war, Russia kept to its borders. NATO agreed not to expand eastwards beyond the Elbe, instead it has become like an occupier, in Ukraine willed on by its foolish president ignoring the Minsk agreements. Whether we agree or not, its too much for Russia and they are calling time on it. The region annexed in 2014 Crimea has voted 90% to stay in the Russian Federation, these two regions change should be easy with Russia guaranteeing their banking pensions security. Above all they are Russian, Ukraine even tried to stop them speaking their own language. Do you really believe all this c**p Tineye?
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| Matov 22 Feb 22 5.21pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Do you really believe all this c**p Tineye?
Is Putin a b******? Absolutely. But he is a b****** for the Russian people. That is the point. He is doing what he thinks is best for Russia. Not for what paymasters in the background are telling him to do. We are devoid of such leadership in the West.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| georgenorman 22 Feb 22 5.24pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Every single part of it is true. That is why what you are seeing play out on our TV screens at the moment from the West's MSM point of view is so incredibly poor in terms of actual real reporting and analysis. Is Putin a b******? Absolutely. But he is a b****** for the Russian people. That is the point. He is doing what he thinks is best for Russia. Not for what paymasters in the background are telling him to do. We are devoid of such leadership in the West. Thank you for your contribution Molotov.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Feb 22 5.38pm |
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Personally I don't believe a word that comes out of Nato's or Putin's gob. Power lies, half truths and omits to its own demographic to justify its aims.....it's all a paint job. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2022 5.39pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 22 Feb 22 5.41pm |
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The residents of Lugansk, Donetsk, look relieved and happy. Western leaders should be asking themselves why they are not wanted. Russia is the largest and most powerful country to ignore their concerns is ridiculous. What next M may have a view.
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| chris123 hove actually 22 Feb 22 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Is Putin a b******? Absolutely. But he is a b****** for the Russian people. That is the point. He is doing what he thinks is best for Russia. Not for what paymasters in the background are telling him to do. We are devoid of such leadership in the West. He's doing what he thinks is best for him.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 22 Feb 22 5.55pm |
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It is no surprise that its the leader of the British Labour Party Sir Keir Starmer who is leading the hawks aiming to sanction and close down anything Russian. And he wants us to close down RT so we won't see it.
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| georgenorman 22 Feb 22 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The residents of Lugansk, Donetsk, look relieved and happy. Western leaders should be asking themselves why they are not wanted. Russia is the largest and most powerful country to ignore their concerns is ridiculous. What next M may have a view. What, just like the people of Austria, the Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia did when Hitler marched in? Edited by georgenorman (22 Feb 2022 6.14pm)
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| georgenorman 22 Feb 22 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It is no surprise that its the leader of the British Labour Party Sir Keir Starmer who is leading the hawks aiming to sanction and close down anything Russian. And he wants us to close down RT so we won't see it. Crypto-communsits like you are a disgrace.
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