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Teddy Eagle 09 Mar 21 11.02pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
No. You’re missing the nuance. A racist word is still a racist word in any scenario As for whether the statement itself is racist, and subsequently whether the person delivering it is racist, is entirely dependent on both context and character. Hence the reply to the granny example put forward above by another poster - racist statement, not racist person. Ignorance or nativity, or ‘being from another era’ is irrelevant. Edited by SW19 CPFC (09 Mar 2021 10.35pm) He used a racist word but that’s acceptable. OK, it’s not as though he did anything reprehensible like dressing up in an SS uniform. His credentials are obviously beyond question.
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Stirlingsays 09 Mar 21 11.36pm | |
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The BBC make a program about and called 'Whiteness'....nothing from the left....you could hear a pin drop, because this is the racism they approve of. Yet anyone mention anything about anything non white in a negative fashion....you get huge never ending wailing and gnashing of teeth and real world consequences. We have a growing and powerful diversity industry that earns its money by victimhood and accusations of racism. Without it, they have no purpose....It's like the anti virus industry apparently saving you from the very ailment they require to exist, so they become the modern day witch hunters and they have about the same success rate on their scam....on this very site I showed that during the pandemic, where people were losing their jobs, the BBC and NHS carried on advertising for jobs specifically on diversity and inclusion.....thought policers and commissars as it were. I was attacked on here for pointing it out....Yet this is what the elites and establishment want. Usually you will find that 9/10 of any mention of racism is used to keep the white working class/lower middle class in their place. It's very effective as most fear for their jobs and mortgages because that's what they have seen happen to those that do. For example, look at how it doesn't happen when it hits the powerful....look at how it's responded to when the Royal family are accused....The PM won't speak on it and Royalty get to apparently 'deal with this internally'....Where, if this were Joe Blogg, he'd be hounded out and he loses his job and gets death threats. The reality is that 'racism' is mostly a leftist and now establishment meme, used mostly by them as a weapon to maintain fear and control. They use it regardless of any relation to the truth because all that matters is that it works. My livelihood has personally been threatened by leftists multiple times now and it wasn't just words as action has been enacted against me. Ask yourself, was this the world your ancestors fought world wars to create....or was it disfigured into this self hating mess afterwards. Indeed, most of those that fought in that war would be demonised today...sacked and hated. And that by people who quite frankly aren't worthy of tieing most of their bootlaces. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Mar 2021 1.03am)
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cryrst The garden of England 10 Mar 21 5.21am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Anything is arguable, as this site proves. As for whether it’s worth arguing about or even contesting is another matter. Of course the meaning of words can be misinterpreted, especially if you don’t know the meaning in the first place. The context obviously can also be misinterpreted. That’s not up for debate. I’m responding to the exact example you provided, with a completely logical response. The word remains either at best offensive or at worst a racial slur if used in the context you described, regardless of intent. Ignorance is not a defence, nor does it make the word magically non-offensive or the statement itself non-racist. The days of tolerating some old boy drossing in the corner using continually using offensive, or worse, language that was acceptable to some in the 40s whilst others around him make screwy faces and laugh it off are over. Age and ignorance are not an excuse. The context of the royal discussion behind closed doors is entirely unknowable, and I’ve made this point already, it could have been in a perfectly acceptable context. For example pondering if his skin colour would lead to more negative press or discrimination. Not racist. To build on your random example though, saying ‘Hazza old boy, just how coloured is old Archibald going to be eh?’ - same as the granny. Ignorant or intentional. Irrelevant. TBF most people are morons. But disagreeing with someone is not a qualifier. Plenty of other factors at play Is that you wissie?
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georgenorman 10 Mar 21 7.02am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Anyway Moving away from logic into the realm of opinion, this more or less summarises my take on our royals. Or any royals really ‘Having a monarchy next door is a little like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and has daubed their house with clown murals, displays clown dolls in each window and has an insatiable desire to hear about and discuss clown-related news stories. More specifically, for the Irish, it’s like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and, also, your grandfather was murdered by a clown'. Of course with your clown-logic, if you change round a couple of words, it would be 'racist', right? ‘Having an Irish family next door is a little like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and has daubed their house with clown murals, displays clown dolls in each window and has an insatiable desire to hear about and discuss clown-related news stories. More specifically, for the Royals, it’s like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and, also, your uncle was murdered by a clown.’
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Mar 21 7.31am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Again, I’m amazed how they’ve been so sensible on the bbs and seen the actress either act the whole thing out, or exaggerate it for her own advantage, because she isn’t a normal feet on the ground kind of ambitious woman. But SW19 is right. Context is important here. I even heard leftie Shelagh Fogerty calm down some maniacs phoning in LBC to explain they’re screaming about something they don’t know what was said by whom, possibly when, in which conversation, blah blah blah. Sadly Harry knows this as well but still did it. Or he’s too thick to, which is possible. But Meghan is clever, and no doubt cunning, to whatever level we’ll find out. Totally agree.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 Mar 21 10.16am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Of course with your clown-logic, if you change round a couple of words, it would be 'racist', right? ‘Having an Irish family next door is a little like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and has daubed their house with clown murals, displays clown dolls in each window and has an insatiable desire to hear about and discuss clown-related news stories. More specifically, for the Royals, it’s like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and, also, your uncle was murdered by a clown.’ To clowns? Maybe if you think clowns are a race. Last time I checked Ireland was a country/nationality and not a race. And yes, the established nature of language is that if you 'change round a couple of words' the sentence will usually have a completely different meaning. Not sure how that fact is surprising to you...
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 Mar 21 10.16am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Is that you wissie? LOLE The fact that there is probably at least a 30 year age gap between me and him makes that observation significantly more concerning Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Mar 2021 10.17am)
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georgenorman 10 Mar 21 12.01pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
To clowns? Maybe if you think clowns are a race. Last time I checked Ireland was a country/nationality and not a race. And yes, the established nature of language is that if you 'change round a couple of words' the sentence will usually have a completely different meaning. Not sure how that fact is surprising to you... Country? Last time I checked, Eire was a minor province of the EU.
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 10 Mar 21 12.09pm | |
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Now the BRITS(am i allowed to say it like that) are making their feelings know to our ex-colonials across the pond
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HKOwen Hong Kong 10 Mar 21 12.11pm | |
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That's before the feline lariat got him Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
He used a racist word but that’s acceptable. OK, it’s not as though he did anything reprehensible like dressing up in an SS uniform. His credentials are obviously beyond question.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Lombardinho London 10 Mar 21 6.27pm | |
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Before this thread fizzles out completely, have a read of this! This is especially relevant if while watching Monday's interview, you said to yourself "Can this really be the same boy we watched following his mother's coffin?"
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Foxy82 10 Mar 21 6.57pm | |
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Is this what they wanted? Where is the MSM coverage of this?
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