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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Apr 18 3.05pm
Originally posted by Willo I have answered all these risible charges as I have about the ludicrous accusation that I am a so called "WUM" - nothing could be further than the truth. I have posted my honest opinions regarding our prospects and ever expected the brickbats that have been aimed in my direction.I certainly wasn't seeking responses heaped with ordure nor to be truthful was I expecting any. I have NOT "Sat on the fence" and dealt in obfuscation.I have been forthright in my views and I suspect high-grade ordnance will be dumped on me if I am proved wrong. As Giraffes say "You don't get leaves unless you stick your neck out". Put the bet on then you big girl. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 Apr 18 3.05pm

Originally posted by Willo

I have answered all these risible charges as I have about the ludicrous accusation that I am a so called "WUM" - nothing could be further than the truth.

I have posted my honest opinions regarding our prospects and ever expected the brickbats that have been aimed in my direction.I certainly wasn't seeking responses heaped with ordure nor to be truthful was I expecting any.

I have NOT "Sat on the fence" and dealt in obfuscation.I have been forthright in my views and I suspect high-grade ordnance will be dumped on me if I am proved wrong.
As Giraffes say "You don't get leaves unless you stick your neck out".

Put the bet on then you big girl.

COYP

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 18 3.13pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Put the bet on then you big girl. As I mentioned before I am not a person who engages in gambling - certainly don't wish to traverse down that avenue.Never ever played fruit machines,do NOT belong to any Betting sites and I don't even have a flutter on the Grand National or Derby. Besides, as people who know me will testify I am far from impecunious.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 18 3.13pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Put the bet on then you big girl.

As I mentioned before I am not a person who engages in gambling - certainly don't wish to traverse down that avenue.Never ever played fruit machines,do NOT belong to any Betting sites and I don't even have a flutter on the Grand National or Derby.

Besides, as people who know me will testify I am far from impecunious.

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AshfordEagle94 Canterbury 11 Apr 18 3.43pm
Being honest I'm normally quite optimistic of our prospects near the end of seasons but this year I just have a bad feeling. I almost feel like it's typical Palace, we need an impossible run in to stay up. We like to be the underdog but when we're confident or favourites or too good to go down, that's when it all goes wrong
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Being honest I'm normally quite optimistic of our prospects near the end of seasons but this year I just have a bad feeling. I almost feel like it's typical Palace, we need an impossible run in to stay up. We like to be the underdog but when we're confident or favourites or too good to go down, that's when it all goes wrong

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chateauferret 11 Apr 18 3.44pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle You are Troll(ey) though. No matter how often we repeat this proven fact - for that is what it is - Willo will never budge from his position no matter how implausible it may seem. So now we just treat "Willo = Trolley" as axiomatic. If he has things to be concerned about based on solid evidence or reasonable interpretation of events, let him say so, but Lord Haw-Haw's constant "We're getting relegated" with absolutely zero foundation is tiring, boring, pointless and depressing. Edited by chateauferret (11 Apr 2018 3.46pm) ============ The Ferret ============
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11 Apr 18 3.44pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

You are Troll(ey) though.

No matter how often we repeat this proven fact - for that is what it is - Willo will never budge from his position no matter how implausible it may seem. So now we just treat "Willo = Trolley" as axiomatic.

If he has things to be concerned about based on solid evidence or reasonable interpretation of events, let him say so, but Lord Haw-Haw's constant "We're getting relegated" with absolutely zero foundation is tiring, boring, pointless and depressing.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 18 4.08pm
Originally posted by chateauferret No matter how often we repeat this proven fact - for that is what it is - Willo will never budge from his position no matter how implausible it may seem. So now we just treat "Willo = Trolley" as axiomatic. If he has things to be concerned about based on solid evidence or reasonable interpretation of events, let him say so, but Lord Haw-Haw's constant "We're getting relegated" with absolutely zero foundation is tiring, boring, pointless and depressing. Edited by chateauferret (11 Apr 2018 3.46pm) I don't accept this at all. I have looked at various factors including of course the games we have to play and the games left to play for others in the relegation battle.I did my predictions on the 'Link' provided perhaps a week or more ago and I had us relegated. I could ask, where is the foundation for the argument by the 'Positive Brigade" who believe that relegation is unlikely ? Have they been asked to provide analysis of their thinking or is such an interrogation just for 'Yours Truly' ? At the end we could be in the relegation zone when we kick-off on Saturday and we are in the dying embers of the season.We play Brighton and you know what often happens when former players come up against us ! We have only kept 1 'Clean sheet' in the last 12 games, our main (And only) striker has scored 2 goals all season and with our depth of squad, any injuries could prove more than decisive.We are NOT in a good place at all.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 18 4.08pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

If he has things to be concerned about based on solid evidence or reasonable interpretation of events, let him say so, but Lord Haw-Haw's constant "We're getting relegated" with absolutely zero foundation is tiring, boring, pointless and depressing.

Edited by chateauferret (11 Apr 2018 3.46pm)

I don't accept this at all.
I have looked at various factors including of course the games we have to play and the games left to play for others in the relegation battle.I did my predictions on the 'Link' provided perhaps a week or more ago and I had us relegated.

I could ask, where is the foundation for the argument by the 'Positive Brigade" who believe that relegation is unlikely ? Have they been asked to provide analysis of their thinking or is such an interrogation just for 'Yours Truly' ?

At the end we could be in the relegation zone when we kick-off on Saturday and we are in the dying embers of the season.We play Brighton and you know what often happens when former players come up against us ! We have only kept 1 'Clean sheet' in the last 12 games, our main (And only) striker has scored 2 goals all season and with our depth of squad, any injuries could prove more than decisive.We are NOT in a good place at all.

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chateauferret 11 Apr 18 4.19pm
Originally posted by Willo you know what often happens when former players come up against us. Exactly what I mean by zero foundation. The idea that a player is more likely to score against us because he used to play for us is bogus, baseless and founded on nothing more substantial than God's Law. The only reason the odds are shortish on Murray scoring are that most weed goals come from him because (pace Locadia) he's their striker and they have only one way to create anything which is through the striker. Edited by chateauferret (11 Apr 2018 4.21pm) ============ The Ferret ============
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11 Apr 18 4.19pm

Originally posted by Willo
you know what often happens when former players come up against us.

Exactly what I mean by zero foundation. The idea that a player is more likely to score against us because he used to play for us is bogus, baseless and founded on nothing more substantial than God's Law. The only reason the odds are shortish on Murray scoring are that most weed goals come from him because (pace Locadia) he's their striker and they have only one way to create anything which is through the striker.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Apr 18 4.30pm
Originally posted by Willo I don't accept this at all. I have looked at various factors including of course the games we have to play and the games left to play for others in the relegation battle.I did my predictions on the 'Link' provided perhaps a week or more ago and I had us relegated. I could ask, where is the foundation for the argument by the 'Positive Brigade" who believe that relegation is unlikely ? Have they been asked to provide analysis of their thinking or is such an interrogation just for 'Yours Truly' ? At the end we could be in the relegation zone when we kick-off on Saturday and we are in the dying embers of the season.We play Brighton and you know what often happens when former players come up against us ! We have only kept 1 'Clean sheet' in the last 12 games, our main (And only) striker has scored 2 goals all season and with our depth of squad, any injuries could prove more than decisive.We are NOT in a good place at all. That isn't analysis, that's you guessing on the results in a league finish predictor, and possibly fudging it so you get your relegation or not taking into account teams do get a win when they're playing okay rather than LLLLL. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 Apr 18 4.30pm

Originally posted by Willo

That isn't analysis, that's you guessing on the results in a league finish predictor, and possibly fudging it so you get your relegation or not taking into account teams do get a win when they're playing okay rather than LLLLL.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Apr 18 4.32pm
Originally posted by chateauferret Exactly what I mean by zero foundation. The idea that a player is more likely to score against us because he used to play for us is bogus, baseless and founded on nothing more substantial than God's Law. The only reason the odds are shortish on Murray scoring are that most weed goals come from him because (pace Locadia) he's their striker and they have only one way to create anything which is through the striker. Edited by chateauferret (11 Apr 2018 4.21pm) It's because headlines grab attention rather than 'Ex player doesn't score against former side and they lose.' COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 Apr 18 4.32pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

Edited by chateauferret (11 Apr 2018 4.21pm)

It's because headlines grab attention rather than 'Ex player doesn't score against former side and they lose.'

COYP

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 18 4.45pm
Originally posted by chateauferret Exactly what I mean by zero foundation. The idea that a player is more likely to score against us because he used to play for us is bogus, baseless and founded on nothing more substantial than God's Law. The only reason the odds are shortish on Murray scoring are that most weed goals come from him because (pace Locadia) he's their striker and they have only one way to create anything which is through the striker. Edited by chateauferret (11 Apr 2018 4.21pm) I never mentioned anything relating to "More likely" at all I used the words "Often happens" which is not necessarily the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if Murray did score against us and perhpas many others won't be surprised either.One can argue about "Balance of probablities" etc etc. At the end of the day supporters make judgements based on an array of factors and in my judgement we will get relegated. Edited by Willo (11 Apr 2018 4.47pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 18 4.45pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

Exactly what I mean by zero foundation. The idea that a player is more likely to score against us because he used to play for us is bogus, baseless and founded on nothing more substantial than God's Law. The only reason the odds are shortish on Murray scoring are that most weed goals come from him because (pace Locadia) he's their striker and they have only one way to create anything which is through the striker.

Edited by chateauferret (11 Apr 2018 4.21pm)

I never mentioned anything relating to "More likely" at all I used the words "Often happens" which is not necessarily the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if Murray did score against us and perhpas many others won't be surprised either.One can argue about "Balance of probablities" etc etc. At the end of the day supporters make judgements based on an array of factors and in my judgement we will get relegated.

Edited by Willo (11 Apr 2018 4.47pm)

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 11 Apr 18 4.52pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman That isn't analysis, that's you guessing on the results in a league finish predictor, and possibly fudging it so you get your relegation or not taking into account teams do get a win when they're playing okay rather than LLLLL. Quite. Willo neatly forgetting that I provided the stats that we've not lost to any team currently in the bottom 10 since we played Southampton in September. The likelihood that we'll lose to all 4 we play between now and the end of the season goes against not only one-off probability given our relative league positions, it goes against the form book. Add in the fact that if you went for a reasonably likely return for us of 5 points from these 5 games (if you ignore the first 7 games and/or the games against top 6 we average a lot more than a point a game), you'd have to then predict Huddersfield also getting 5 points (avoiding defeat in at least 2 difficult games and winning at least 1), Swansea getting 5 points, Southampton getting 7 points (at least 3 positive results) and/or Stoke getting 8 points (3 or 4 positive results). You're then getting in to the territory of your analysis being based on hunches rather than anything else. Which is fine, but in that case just admit it and don't pretend it's where the evidence leads.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Quite.

Willo neatly forgetting that I provided the stats that we've not lost to any team currently in the bottom 10 since we played Southampton in September. The likelihood that we'll lose to all 4 we play between now and the end of the season goes against not only one-off probability given our relative league positions, it goes against the form book. Add in the fact that if you went for a reasonably likely return for us of 5 points from these 5 games (if you ignore the first 7 games and/or the games against top 6 we average a lot more than a point a game), you'd have to then predict Huddersfield also getting 5 points (avoiding defeat in at least 2 difficult games and winning at least 1), Swansea getting 5 points, Southampton getting 7 points (at least 3 positive results) and/or Stoke getting 8 points (3 or 4 positive results).

You're then getting in to the territory of your analysis being based on hunches rather than anything else. Which is fine, but in that case just admit it and don't pretend it's where the evidence leads.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 11 Apr 18 4.54pm
Originally posted by Willo I have answered all these risible charges as I have about the ludicrous accusation that I am a so called "WUM" - nothing could be further than the truth. I have posted my honest opinions regarding our prospects and ever expected the brickbats that have been aimed in my direction.I certainly wasn't seeking responses heaped with ordure nor to be truthful was I expecting any. I have NOT "Sat on the fence" and dealt in obfuscation.I have been forthright in my views and I suspect high-grade ordnance will be dumped on me if I am proved wrong. As Giraffes say "You don't get leaves unless you stick your neck out". Sadly you were found guilty by a jury of your peers.
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Sydenham 11 Apr 18 4.54pm

Originally posted by Willo

I have answered all these risible charges as I have about the ludicrous accusation that I am a so called "WUM" - nothing could be further than the truth.

I have NOT "Sat on the fence" and dealt in obfuscation.I have been forthright in my views and I suspect high-grade ordnance will be dumped on me if I am proved wrong.
As Giraffes say "You don't get leaves unless you stick your neck out".

Sadly you were found guilty by a jury of your peers.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 11 Apr 18 4.55pm
Originally posted by Willo I never mentioned anything relating to "More likely" at all I used the words "Often happens" which is not necessarily the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if Murray did score against us and perhpas many others won't be surprised either.One can argue about "Balance of probablities" etc etc. At the end of the day supporters make judgements based on an array of factors and in my judgement we will get relegated. Edited by Willo (11 Apr 2018 4.47pm) Out of interest when was the last time this happened? I'm struggling to recall.
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Sydenham 11 Apr 18 4.55pm

Originally posted by Willo

I never mentioned anything relating to "More likely" at all I used the words "Often happens" which is not necessarily the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if Murray did score against us and perhpas many others won't be surprised either.One can argue about "Balance of probablities" etc etc. At the end of the day supporters make judgements based on an array of factors and in my judgement we will get relegated.

Edited by Willo (11 Apr 2018 4.47pm)

Out of interest when was the last time this happened? I'm struggling to recall.

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