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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 11 Feb 19 2.33pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by cpfc_chap
Problem is people who don't like tr generally don't know anything about him and refuse to watch anything about him but they believe in the bulls*** the msm make up about him! I haven't got 3 hours of my life available to watch obvious propaganda! I dipped in and out and what I saw was a defence of the indefensible from a smug, self centered publicity seeker, convinced of his own rectitude. If others are impressed by this show then I am not as I can see the fake sincerity. I am on no way seeking to defend the actions of criminals. I am though not going to defend those who think they know better than the authorities about how to handle things or be fooled by them. Simple solutions when suggested for complex problems inevitably make things worse.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Feb 19 2.36pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by dannyboy1978
In general Yes for every culture other than Islam. We haven't terrorists, grooming gangs It's this kind of response that makes me despair. The answers to your questions are all to be found in the comment being responded to, or earlier ones in the thread.
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Feb 19 3.02pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by ChrisGC
Multiculturalism is an elitist's social experiment gone badly wrong. Rather than have controlled, selective immigration based on merit, "multiculturalism" was promoted to justify unchecked mass immigration, breeding the attitude of "you're racist if you challenge this". This benefited the elites in two ways short term. It ripped the arse out of the labour market, thus suppressing the working classes, and provides ongoing votes. (Or so they thought: Islam has no interest in democracy, so that's backfired) Multiculturalism is silencing debate and opposition. Multiculturalism is a control mechanism. Multiculturalism is fascism. Being concerned by mass, seemingly unvetted immigration is not racism. Opposing the transplanting of barbarism from backwards cultures directly into our society is not racism. If a set of beliefs or cultural practices are harmful to our civilised way of life or incompatible with our culture they should never be accommodated. If this is too much to sacrifice then the application for immigration to our shores should be directed to where your ways are accepted, such as where you already f***ing are. You have it the wrong way around Most of our immigration is based upon the UK welcoming in those from overseas as they were needed. For example when Enoch Powell set up a recruiting centre in Jamaica and the mills and transport system advertised all over the Empire for workers. Transfer of workers within the Commonwealth was a corrolary of having an Empire. Now we can do one of two things. Do a 'Windrush' and send home those we formerly welcomed, or learn how to live in a society where people come from a variety of backgrounds. Sure we can control further immigration but that won't stop our current culture from being multi-faceted. And stopping further immigration is going to be tough given we are structured in such a way that we are now addicted to the need. It would take many decades of high levels of investment to turn the tide.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Feb 19 3.44pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree
You have it the wrong way around Most of our immigration is based upon the UK welcoming in those from overseas as they were needed. For example when Enoch Powell set up a recruiting centre in Jamaica and the mills and transport system advertised all over the Empire for workers. Transfer of workers within the Commonwealth was a corrolary of having an Empire. Now we can do one of two things. Do a 'Windrush' and send home those we formerly welcomed, or learn how to live in a society where people come from a variety of backgrounds. Sure we can control further immigration but that won't stop our current culture from being multi-faceted. And stopping further immigration is going to be tough given we are structured in such a way that we are now addicted to the need. It would take many decades of high levels of investment to turn the tide.
Perhaps you should go to South Africa and give them talks about this kind of failed integration stuff. And isn't that Powell stuff an urban legend......No one was looking for the immigrants to stay.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Feb 19 3.48pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by ChrisGC
Multiculturalism is an elitist's social experiment gone badly wrong. Nail on head, right there. Most of them don't have their homes within it....but advocate for others to.....talking about racism from their 95 white plus percentage areas. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2019 4.18pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Feb 19 4.02pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Perhaps you should go to South Africa and give them talks about this kind of failed integration stuff. And isn't that Powell stuff an urban legend......No one was looking for the immigrants to stay.
In 1963 the Conservative Health Minister, Enoch Powell, who later led the call for stricter controls on immigration, launched a campaign to recruit trained doctors from overseas to fill the manpower shortages caused by NHS expansion. Some 18,000 of them were recruited from India and pakistan. Powell praised these doctors, who he said, 'provide a useful and substantial reinforcement of the staffing of our hospitals and who are an advertisement to the world of British medicine and British hospitals.'
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| Stirlingsays 11 Feb 19 4.12pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree
In 1963 the Conservative Health Minister, Enoch Powell, who later led the call for stricter controls on immigration, launched a campaign to recruit trained doctors from overseas to fill the manpower shortages caused by NHS expansion. Some 18,000 of them were recruited from India and pakistan. Powell praised these doctors, who he said, 'provide a useful and substantial reinforcement of the staffing of our hospitals and who are an advertisement to the world of British medicine and British hospitals.' If he did that then it wasn't for them to stay here Maple. He obviously realised his fatal mistake later on.
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| .TUX. 11 Feb 19 4.24pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by ChrisGC
Multiculturalism is an elitist's social experiment gone badly wrong. Rather than have controlled, selective immigration based on merit, "multiculturalism" was promoted to justify unchecked mass immigration, breeding the attitude of "you're racist if you challenge this". This benefited the elites in two ways short term. It ripped the arse out of the labour market, thus suppressing the working classes, and provides ongoing votes. (Or so they thought: Islam has no interest in democracy, so that's backfired) Multiculturalism is silencing debate and opposition. Multiculturalism is a control mechanism. Multiculturalism is fascism. Being concerned by mass, seemingly unvetted immigration is not racism. Opposing the transplanting of barbarism from backwards cultures directly into our society is not racism. If a set of beliefs or cultural practices are harmful to our civilised way of life or incompatible with our culture they should never be accommodated. If this is too much to sacrifice then the application for immigration to our shores should be directed to where your ways are accepted, such as where you already f***ing are. Every word of this.
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Feb 19 5.31pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If he did that then it wasn't for them to stay here Maple. He obviously realised his fatal mistake later on. Oops, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant Stirling.
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| Beanyboysmd 11 Feb 19 5.44pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If you watched the whole thing then why are you saying that? He said he's bringing the video out on the 23rd in Manchester...There will be people coming in from lots of places to see it......You expect him to spill all the beans? We will see what he's got.....and we will also see what job Panorama do on him. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Feb 2019 10.50am) Its amazing that you built an entire arguement around 3 letters (snp) , I support snp so I know bbc do hatchet jobs. I never said anything about nationalism, neither did tommy, just you... All he said was bbc are liars and that he will release a video about it...thats it! My opinions are based on the fact that I have seen them doing it before. No politics...my opinion on patreon and their ilk was based on being a youtuber and seeing lots of youtubers in the same boat, no politics...my opinion on not saying much was based on a 20 minute video saying 'i have a video coming out' and didnt say much else...no politics...
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| Stirlingsays 11 Feb 19 6.01pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Its amazing that you built an entire arguement around 3 letters (snp) , I support snp so I know bbc do hatchet jobs. I never said anything about nationalism, neither did tommy, just you... Three letters...really....So you are going to tell me that you don't know what the 'n' stands for.....so really the observation stands. Tommy Robinson.....While I don't specifically know what he's position is on nationalism it's probably quite similar to mine.....I've watched enough videos.....He's the kind of bloke I know quite well, a typical Tommy...a Squadie out of uniform. Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
All he said was bbc are liars and that he will release a video about it...thats it! My opinions are based on the fact that I have seen them doing it before. No politics...my opinion on patreon and their ilk was based on being a youtuber and seeing lots of youtubers in the same boat, no politics...my opinion on not saying much was based on a 20 minute video saying 'i have a video coming out' and didnt say much else...no politics... Hiding behind Tommy Robinson? What are you waffling about man. I answered the actual criticisms you made in your post. You entered the debate when you made them....now you are moaning when you get a reply. As for changing your mind....what makes you think I'm trying to do that. Debates are for those that read and follow them, people rarely change their minds within debates simply because of the tribal nature of them. Readers, who aren't in the fray can study the arguments independently. As an aside If the SNP win a referendum on separation I have no issues with breaking up the union....and I would support their mandate for that......though they should gain enough support for a referendum beforehand....but in principle I've always believed in national self determination.
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| Beanyboysmd 11 Feb 19 6.53pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Hiding behind Tommy Robinson? What are you waffling about man. I answered the actual criticisms you made in your post. You entered the debate when you made them....now you are moaning when you get a reply. As for changing your mind....what makes you think I'm trying to do that. Debates are for those that read and follow them, people rarely change their minds within debates simply because of the tribal nature of them. Readers, who aren't in the fray can study the arguments independently. As an aside If the SNP win a referendum on separation I have no issues with breaking up the union....and I would support their mandate for that......though they should gain enough support for a referendum beforehand....but in principle I've always believed in national self determination.
But that's my point bud, you did it again, I am having no political discussion and neither is Tommy Robinson, but because I used a throwaway line about supporting the snp so know what its like to see a bbc hatchet job, you have instinctively started a politics debate, the first time it was something about nationalism. This time its about national self determination...its not a terrible standpoint, but nobody was having a debate about the snp or Tommy Robinsons politics.
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