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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Dec 17 10.49am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Niasse in his post-match comments doesn't claim he was tripped by Dann,knocked to the floor or even pushed a little.He talks about his reaction, not as unavoidable but as a decision he made to go to ground and as far as I am concerned that is simulation.

 

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chateauferret Flag 01 Dec 17 11.18am

Originally posted by Willo

Niasse in his post-match comments doesn't claim he was tripped by Dann,knocked to the floor or even pushed a little.He talks about his reaction, not as unavoidable but as a decision he made to go to ground and as far as I am concerned that is simulation.

Is the right answer.

Tuttle - get out of that one, Perry.

Actually don't bother.

 


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NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 01 Dec 17 12.16pm Send a Private Message to NickinOX Add NickinOX as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Niasse in his post-match comments doesn't claim he was tripped by Dann,knocked to the floor or even pushed a little.He talks about his reaction, not as unavoidable but as a decision he made to go to ground and as far as I am concerned that is simulation.

Indeed, his post match comments read like a confession with an attempt at justification. He was clear in claiming he chose to go to ground.

 


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Harry Tuttle Flag merseyside 01 Dec 17 12.35pm

Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

Clear through your blue glasses while munching a toffee.

Lets ruin the game completely and support cheats. Well done objective Harry.

In case your aim was winding us all up I have to admit you did well though


Dann made sure he blocked Niasses run, theres clear contact without making an attempt to play the ball - its a foul all over the pitch. Niasse didn't initiate contact unlike the professional cheats who kick an opponents foot (Michael Owen style) or the blatant divers who go down with no contact at all. depending on who `won` a penalty, Shearer on motd likes to roll out the old line `he is entitled to go down even if there is only minimal contact`


Edited by Harry Tuttle (01 Dec 2017 12.38pm)

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Dec 17 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle


Dann made sure he blocked Niasses run, theres clear contact without making an attempt to play the ball - its a foul all over the pitch. Niasse didn't initiate contact unlike the professional cheats who kick an opponents foot (Michael Owen style) or the blatant divers who go down with no contact at all. depending on who `won` a penalty, Shearer on motd likes to roll out the old line `he is entitled to go down even if there is only minimal contact`

Totally disagree.

There is nothing in the 'Laws' to say that it is a foul every time there is contact in the area or elsewhere.Football is a contact sport - players make contact at corners, players come together all the time.

Niasse said that he felt contact, he was in the box and that all he had to do was go to the floor. Nowhere does this suggest that Dann's minimal contact sent him tumbling.Niasse doesn't claim he was tripped or knocked to the ground, he talks about a decision he made to plummet to the turf so in my eyes this is a dive.

 

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Aolcpfc Flag Finchley, London 01 Dec 17 1.06pm Send a Private Message to Aolcpfc Add Aolcpfc as a friend

“The contact was on my upper body and when I heard the contact I was in the box so that is it, that is all I have to do, go on the floor,....."

Niasse heard the contact..."all I have to do".

Sounds strongly like he is acknowledging his OWN agency in GOING to the floor.

My suspicion is that he made the decision immediately: he did not have time to think it through. But as he said the game needed it.

The quote that I have read is: "People are saying I fell down too easily, I don’t know about that but the game needed it, and I did it,”

That may have been his justification after the fact rather than a reflection of his instantaneous decision to go down when he heard the contact.

Perhaps Niasse would claim that it is his way of explaining himself in what is not his first language and that he has been misunderstood. Maybe. Just maybe.

That is not a claim that has been voiced to my knowledge, but that may well be my ignorance, and in fact he has since said that or something similar.

 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 01 Dec 17 2.34pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Aolcpfc

“The contact was on my upper body and when I heard the contact I was in the box so that is it, that is all I have to do, go on the floor,....."

Niasse heard the contact..."all I have to do".


In baseball, if a pitch hits the batter, the batter is immediately put on first base. It's hard to score runs in baseball, so baserunners are considered very valuable, and a freebie like getting hit by the pitch is a big mistake by the pitcher.

The trick is, though, that an overmatched batter cannot simply lean in and take one for the team. He is required to make an effort to avoid being hit and, if the umpire deems he didn't, it's called a strike on the batter. I think we could learn something here.

Could we not require football players to make a reasonable effort to stay on their feet? We all love when referees play the advantage rule, so why do we also accept that a player can make his own judgment as to the legality of a challenge and throw himself to the floor?

Of course referees miss fouls (far too much) but, if the foul is not enough to prevent play or the player from continuing, why should we stop the flow of the game? Make the player try to continue, and let the ref decide - even after a short amount of progression as is currently allowed - whether to pull play back and award the foul. If nothing else, this extra moment of play will allow the referee a beat to consider the impact of the contact and decide to blow or not accordingly.

In the case of Niasse, any incidental contact with Dann was not impeding his progress and he was about to be in on goal. He decided that a spot kick was a better option than his own scoring opportunity, and that's completely back-to-front on how that decision should be made.

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Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Dec 2017 2.35pm)

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Dec 17 2.43pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Perhaps clubs organise as part of their training a session on 'Simulation' where plays theatrically practice going to ground ! Hence why unlike the old days when supporters could turn up at the training ground to see their heroes train, clubs have training 'Behind closed doors' !!!!

 

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Harry Tuttle Flag merseyside 01 Dec 17 4.24pm

Originally posted by Willo

Totally disagree.

There is nothing in the 'Laws' to say that it is a foul every time there is contact in the area or elsewhere.Football is a contact sport - players make contact at corners, players come together all the time.

Niasse said that he felt contact, he was in the box and that all he had to do was go to the floor. Nowhere does this suggest that Dann's minimal contact sent him tumbling.Niasse doesn't claim he was tripped or knocked to the ground, he talks about a decision he made to plummet to the turf so in my eyes this is a dive.

true. but you are evading the point like all the others. please lets stick to this one incident without bringing `shielding the ball out` and all the other stuff you peeps have brought up. your post is quite ironic - on the one hand Niasse is a total cheat and on the other he`s honest in stating he exaggerated the force of Danns` block. the FA chose to make an example in this case and its a farce. its a joke of an amendment that is unworkable and will be seen in time to have so many grey areas it`ll be quietly forgotten.

 

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Harry Tuttle Flag merseyside 01 Dec 17 4.40pm

Originally posted by NickinOX

Indeed, his post match comments read like a confession with an attempt at justification. He was clear in claiming he chose to go to ground.


a very honest/naïve thing to say don't you think! hardly the reaction you would expect of a conniving, cynical, professional cheat. the fact is - Dann was stupid to make contact/block Niasse the way he did. and Niasse made sure he hit the deck to `win` the penalty. he`s not a serial diver as time will tell. our neighbours have had a few but their antics were minimalized by the media, Stevie G and Suarez to name two, this incident with Niasse is small peanuts compared to those guys

 

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Direwolf Flag Lincoln 01 Dec 17 4.48pm Send a Private Message to Direwolf Add Direwolf as a friend

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle

true. but you are evading the point like all the others. please lets stick to this one incident without bringing `shielding the ball out` and all the other stuff you peeps have brought up. your post is quite ironic - on the one hand Niasse is a total cheat and on the other he`s honest in stating he exaggerated the force of Danns` block. the FA chose to make an example in this case and its a farce. its a joke of an amendment that is unworkable and will be seen in time to have so many grey areas it`ll be quietly forgotten.


Or as was the case the independent adjudicators decided that he had simulated a foul. It is rather difficult to make an example of something if that something as you are claiming never occurred in the first place.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Dec 17 4.49pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle

true. but you are evading the point like all the others. please lets stick to this one incident without bringing `shielding the ball out` and all the other stuff you peeps have brought up. your post is quite ironic - on the one hand Niasse is a total cheat and on the other he`s honest in stating he exaggerated the force of Danns` block. the FA chose to make an example in this case and its a farce. its a joke of an amendment that is unworkable and will be seen in time to have so many grey areas it`ll be quietly forgotten.

I have NOT evaded the point at all.I have commented on the specific incident involving Niasse so cannot be accused of tangential rumblings without reference to the simulation in question.

As for being "Ironic", it was a clear case of simulation which Niasse felt was acceptable given his post-match comments.

Regards the FA making an example of this case, it was a panel of 3 who independently viewed the footage and were unananimous that an act of simulation had occurred.And Niasse wasn't the first, that 'Honour' fell to Shaun Miller of Carlisle.

At the end of the day Niasse dived - he deserved his two-game ban.


Edited by Willo (01 Dec 2017 5.02pm)

 

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