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  Hrolf The Ganger  17 Dec 17 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
We have to separate religiously 'socially conservative', which is clearly apparent and has a large base in all the major religions, with 'extreme social conservativism', the like of which Saudi Arabia promotes, as it is from that tree which propagates the violent interpretations from which IS, Al Qaeda and the rest take their orders. Identity, expose and target. The guilty not the innocent. The rest of Islam will have to evolve over time. At different rates as some branches are more enlightened than others. Edited by Kermit8 (17 Dec 2017 9.51am) There is no enlightenment in religion. Only ignorance.
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Kermit8  Hevon 17 Dec 17 2.58pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is no enlightenment in religion. Only ignorance. That's a sweeping statement and generalisation and a half. Quakers, for example, believe in human rights, based on their belief in equality of all human beings;Social justice; peace;freedom of conscience;environmental issues so they seek to live simply so as to reduce the burden on the world; and community life. They believe that priests and rituals are an unnecessary obstruction between the believer and God. Now they seem a lot more enlightened in some areas than the both of us, don't you agree? Us atheists don't always hold the moral high ground especially when others, like the above, are basically nicer people. Edited by Kermit8 (17 Dec 2017 3.02pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 17 Dec 17 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
That's a sweeping statement and generalisation and a half. Quakers, for example, believe in human rights, based on their belief in equality of all human beings; Social justice; peace; freedom of conscience They believe that priests and rituals are an unnecessary obstruction between the believer and God. Now they seem a lot more enlightened in some areas than the both of us, don't you agree? Us atheists don't always hold the moral high ground especially when others, like the above, are basically nicer people. The idea that one needs religion to have a moral code is absurd. The idea that one should worship 'God' is absurd. Next...
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| Kermit8 Hevon 17 Dec 17 3.04pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The idea that one needs religion to have a moral code is absurd. The idea that one should worship 'God' is absurd. Next... That depends on whether you can stretch it to be able to see it as a philosophy as well. The basic teachings of Christ were very much non-religious but more a way of living positively and for the benefit of the many and self.
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Park Road  17 Dec 17 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
That depends on whether you can stretch it to be able to see it as a philosophy as well. The basic teachings of Christ were very much non-religious but more a way of living positively and for the benefit of the many and self. People are always being told that religion, whatever its faults, at least instills morality. Personally. I think it causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 17 Dec 17 3.22pm |
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Originally posted by Park Road
People are always being told that religion, whatever its faults, at least instills morality. Personally. I think it causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid. read my post re:Quakers a few back
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| Park Road 17 Dec 17 3.30pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
read my post re:Quakers a few back Out of all the man made religions out there, I do have to say The Quakers seem to be the most delightful
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| Kermit8 Hevon 17 Dec 17 3.43pm |
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Originally posted by Park Road
Out of all the man made religions out there, I do have to say The Quakers seem to be the most delightful They are. Well the one I knew was. And she was great in the sack It get's better too: Quakers fully acknowledge that sexuality is an integral part of human nature, that it is - if not misused - something essentially love affirming and life enhancing, that homosexuality is not in itself a moral issue, and that contraception and abortion are very often prudent and proper. Despite its liberalism, howver, the Society of Friends has very strong concerns associated with the sanctity of marriage, the responsible use of sex, and the equality of the sexes and avoidance of any form of sexual exploitation.
Edited by Kermit8 (17 Dec 2017 3.43pm)
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| Stirlingsays 17 Dec 17 3.46pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
That depends on whether you can stretch it to be able to see it as a philosophy as well. The basic teachings of Christ were very much non-religious but more a way of living positively and for the benefit of the many and self. ? Only if you are very very pick and choose.....to an extent that you aren't really following Christianity but a contrived version of it. The concept of being born in sin.....that if you even find another women attractive you have committed adultery.....that you shouldn't concern yourself with material possessions because 'god' will look after you. All of that is negative nonsense. The new testament teaches that Christ was in fact very pious and wanted people to take his religion very seriously indeed......not surprising if you are selling the idea that you are god....if indeed he did do that. I think you will find that it's humanism or the non religious version of Buddhism and not Christianity that fits your description far more accurately.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Dec 17 3.46pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
They are. Well the one I knew was. And she was great in the sack It get's better too: Quakers fully acknowledge that sexuality is an integral part of human nature, that it is - if not misused - something essentially love affirming and life enhancing, that homosexuality is not in itself a moral issue, and that contraception and abortion are very often prudent and proper. Despite its liberalism, howver, the Society of Friends has very strong concerns associated with the sanctity of marriage, the responsible use of sex, and the equality of the sexes and avoidance of any form of sexual exploitation.
Edited by Kermit8 (17 Dec 2017 3.43pm) You'd get yer oats.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Dec 17 3.53pm |
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Originally posted by Park Road
People are always being told that religion, whatever its faults, at least instills morality. Personally. I think it causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid. But it doesn't install ethics. You can morally burn people to death etc, and be morally sound. Its a bit harder to achieve that from an ethical stand. It was moral to send a man to prison for having a sexual preference for other men. Its never been ethical
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Dec 17 3.55pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
They are. Well the one I knew was. And she was great in the sack It get's better too: Quakers fully acknowledge that sexuality is an integral part of human nature, that it is - if not misused - something essentially love affirming and life enhancing, that homosexuality is not in itself a moral issue, and that contraception and abortion are very often prudent and proper. Despite its liberalism, howver, the Society of Friends has very strong concerns associated with the sanctity of marriage, the responsible use of sex, and the equality of the sexes and avoidance of any form of sexual exploitation.
Edited by Kermit8 (17 Dec 2017 3.43pm) Thats the UK Quakers, the US is a bit different - but I've always had a soft spot for the Quakers. But I think if you could choose a religion, then most people probably wouldn't be very religious.
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