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Part Time James Flag 24 Feb 16 4.52pm Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Can you even tell me what the membership of the EU will be in 10 years time?

Better than that - how about how much we'll pay in net contributions next year?

Or how about how many more measures we will be forced to accept via QVM next year?

What will be the net EU immigration for the next 5 years? (good to know for things like schools, hospitals, and moreso recently, prisons)

How about whether we'll get stung for another £1.7Bn that we'll emphatically "refuse to pay" and then pile it onto our national debt?

You have no idea. To claim that remaining in this ever-integrating political union is anything but "going into the unknown" is a bare-faced lie. A vote for "remain" is as uncertain (likely more so) than Brexit, and is most certainly not the status quo.

At least with Brexit, we could kick out those making the stupid mistakes and stupid laws during an election. When did we elect the EU commission?

I like this, I'm stealing that for my next heated political debate.

Here's an unknown: what will the EU do with us if we vote to stay in? We'll be in their back pocket for years to come is my guess. I don't know for a fact though, I admit.

 




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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 24 Feb 16 4.58pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Can you even tell me what the membership of the EU will be in 10 years time?

Better than that - how about how much we'll pay in net contributions next year?

Or how about how many more measures we will be forced to accept via QVM next year?

What will be the net EU immigration for the next 5 years? (good to know for things like schools, hospitals, and moreso recently, prisons)

How about whether we'll get stung for another £1.7Bn that we'll emphatically "refuse to pay" and then pile it onto our national debt?

You have no idea. To claim that remaining in this ever-integrating political union is anything but "going into the unknown" is a bare-faced lie. A vote for "remain" is as uncertain (likely more so) than Brexit, and is most certainly not the status quo.

At least with Brexit, we could kick out those making the stupid mistakes and stupid laws during an election. When did we elect the EU commission?

A bit histrionic.

It's the same here with our Parliament. We obviously don't know what policies will be in action in 10 years or which new laws enabled. One thing is for sure - we also make stupid mistakes and stupid laws.

These are politicians don't forget. Trust them at your peril whether supporting the 'ins' or 'outs'.

I mostly like what the EU/EEC has given us looking at the bigger picture over the last five or six decades. Economic clout, peace, easy travel, cleaner rivers and seas, etc.

Some major things are fvcked up but leaving won't change that and we will still have serious problems here sovereignty or no sovereignty. You expect The Tories to solve our social ills?

 


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Hoof Hearted 24 Feb 16 5.06pm

Originally posted by Kermit8


Exactly. And not even the 'outs' have dared to say we will be actually definitely better off because even they know we are going into the unknown. Risky business. A punt of The Grand National i liken it too.

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Feb 2016 2.21pm)

Your earlier post today said....

Brexit will not weave the magic you hope for but will make us economically poorer.


So you've done a U turn.... earlier "brexit" or leaving was going to make us economically poorer.... now you're agreeing with Dan and saying we are going into the unknown.

Make your mind up.... mine and Nigel Lawson's mind is clear.

We have everything to gain by voting out.

No more EU interference on us trying to establish a trading rapport with China and India where the potential is massive compared to the EU.

 

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Hoof Hearted 24 Feb 16 5.10pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

When you say the 'far left' do you mean 1 person (if so who?) or a group of people (if so who?)

I've seen arguments for both sides on the far left which makes your statement a bit redundant.

Can you do the same for the 'far right' who were accused of scaremongering by a poster earlier today and was is the reason I mentioned 'far left'.

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 24 Feb 16 5.11pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

One of my concerns is that, much like the PR debacle, we'll get this vote, IN will narrowly squeak it, and that will be used as conclusive proof that we are all fiercely pro_EU and therefore have no right to complain about anything.

What about the reverse of the Sturgeon situation? She's said she'll push for another independent Scotland vote if we vote OUT and they vote IN so they are forced to leave. Could we kick them out if we narrowly vote OUT but their votes push the UK into an IN vote?

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Feb 16 5.19pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Can you even tell me what the membership of the EU will be in 10 years time?

Better than that - how about how much we'll pay in net contributions next year?

Or how about how many more measures we will be forced to accept via QVM next year?

What will be the net EU immigration for the next 5 years? (good to know for things like schools, hospitals, and moreso recently, prisons)

How about whether we'll get stung for another £1.7Bn that we'll emphatically "refuse to pay" and then pile it onto our national debt?

You have no idea. To claim that remaining in this ever-integrating political union is anything but "going into the unknown" is a bare-faced lie. A vote for "remain" is as uncertain (likely more so) than Brexit, and is most certainly not the status quo.

At least with Brexit, we could kick out those making the stupid mistakes and stupid laws during an election. When did we elect the EU commission?

They're elected by the European Parliament, who are elected democratically. Each country has a Commissioner. In 2010 the Commission President was pushing for Commissioners to be directly elected as part of the European Parliamentary elections.

Also the Commission and Commissioner is subject to removal by the European Parliament.

The UK Commissioner is the commissioner for Financial Stability, Financial Services and Capital Markets.

Also that 1.7bn was entirely our own fault due to how we changed economic reporting measures, so that the party in charge could look like it had done better than it had previously done.

Politicians - That's the problem. Always has been. Doesn't matter if they're in Westminster or Brussels.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Feb 16 5.20pm

Originally posted by npn

One of my concerns is that, much like the PR debacle, we'll get this vote, IN will narrowly squeak it, and that will be used as conclusive proof that we are all fiercely pro_EU and therefore have no right to complain about anything.

What about the reverse of the Sturgeon situation? She's said she'll push for another independent Scotland vote if we vote OUT and they vote IN so they are forced to leave. Could we kick them out if we narrowly vote OUT but their votes push the UK into an IN vote?

On the plus side, at least MEP's are elected through proportional representation.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 16 5.23pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Can you do the same for the 'far right' who were accused of scaremongering by a poster earlier today and was is the reason I mentioned 'far left'.

I will when you do.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 24 Feb 16 5.29pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Your earlier post today said....

Brexit will not weave the magic you hope for but will make us economically poorer.


So you've done a U turn.... earlier "brexit" or leaving was going to make us economically poorer.... now you're agreeing with Dan and saying we are going into the unknown.

Make your mind up.... mine and Nigel Lawson's mind is clear.

We have everything to gain by voting out.

No more EU interference on us trying to establish a trading rapport with China and India where the potential is massive compared to the EU.

Nice try.

We are going into the unknown we all agree on that. I believe we will be worse off. Some agree, some don't. The ones that don't have jacksh*t to offer anything concrete that will be better off. There's a reason for that. No evidence. No definite proposed trade deals in place to cover any losses incurred on leaving. No talk about the safety of employment and the firms here who need the EU.

For those that want to stay at least we have the trade figures, economic clout and other benefits associated with being in the EU at hand.

You want to risk that. I don't. I want Britain as strong as it can be. Going backwards isn't going to help.

No U-turn Hoof. Never mind.


also, you called yourself a moderate earlier. What was that all about?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Feb 2016 5.30pm)

 


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johnno42000 Flag 24 Feb 16 5.45pm Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

I'm still undecided but took the quiz and ended up as voting to stay in. Apparently 'You're no fan of Brussels or bureacracy, but a nagging feeling at the back of your mind says we need to be inside the tent. The English Channel is only 21 miles wide. If we've got Europe on our doorstep, shouldn't we be pragmatic and stay part of the club?
VOTE IN JUNE: REMAIN (WITH LITTLE JOY)'

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Feb 16 5.56pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

A couple of years old, however how can we have a reasoned debate if people think we can go and work in Europe but don't think Europeans should be able to work here?

I despair sometimes.

There's going to be details that came to their decision. People migrating here and willing to work for lower wages the 1st. Apart from the Towie crowd in Marbella I doubt many Brits going to live on the continent flock to 1 particular town or postcode because that's where British are pitching up.

You also have people who never have any intention to live abroad for longer than 2 weeks and want to keep infrastructure at a level they want for them and their family and those who like the idea of moving around for a few years here and there. Both those 2 questions you linked were probably asked to everyone which highlights the contradiction but you also get my stereotype.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Feb 16 5.58pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by npn

One of my concerns is that, much like the PR debacle, we'll get this vote, IN will narrowly squeak it, and that will be used as conclusive proof that we are all fiercely pro_EU and therefore have no right to complain about anything.

What about the reverse of the Sturgeon situation? She's said she'll push for another independent Scotland vote if we vote OUT and they vote IN so they are forced to leave. Could we kick them out if we narrowly vote OUT but their votes push the UK into an IN vote?

Like your thinking but aren't they virtually 50/50 so it'll make only a very slight difference if it was to help the exit side?

 


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