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Kermit8 Hevon 15 Nov 15 4.10pm
A Muslim, Jew, Atheist, Pagan and Christian all go into a coffee shop. They talk, laugh and have a good time and even become friends. It's not a joke. It's what can/does happen when you are not an arsehole. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 15 Nov 15 4.10pm

A Muslim, Jew, Atheist, Pagan and Christian all go into a coffee shop.

They talk, laugh and have a good time and even become friends.

It's not a joke. It's what can/does happen when you are not an arsehole.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Stirlingsays 15 Nov 15 4.14pm
Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2015 4.10pm A Muslim, Jew, Atheist, Pagan and Christian all go into a coffee shop. They talk, laugh and have a good time and even become friends. It's not a joke. It's what can/does happen when you are not an arsehole. Sounds like a street you'd like to live on. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2015 4.10pm

A Muslim, Jew, Atheist, Pagan and Christian all go into a coffee shop.

They talk, laugh and have a good time and even become friends.

It's not a joke. It's what can/does happen when you are not an arsehole.

Sounds like a street you'd like to live on.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 15 Nov 15 4.15pm
Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2015 4.00pm Are passports bomb proof? My understanding is that most of the terrorists blew themselves up. How did the passports survive. Or am I missing something? Do you actually believe that explosions turn things to dust then? They tend to break things apart in varying sizes. You often find heads, arms, legs and so on. You're sounding like some of those 9/11 tin foil nutters.....Please god tell me it aren't so Nick. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2015 4.16pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2015 4.00pm

Are passports bomb proof? My understanding is that most of the terrorists blew themselves up. How did the passports survive. Or am I missing something?

Do you actually believe that explosions turn things to dust then? They tend to break things apart in varying sizes. You often find heads, arms, legs and so on.

You're sounding like some of those 9/11 tin foil nutters.....Please god tell me it aren't so Nick.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 15 Nov 15 4.18pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Nov 2015 3.44pm Eugenics is an area of interest to me and an exciting avenue for future human improvement. Misuse and errors in its applications from previous centuries ago have harmed its reputation but it has the potential to cure many of societies ills. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2015 3.45pm) If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Eugenics is an area of interest to me and an exciting avenue for future human improvement. Misuse and errors in its applications from previous centuries ago have harmed its reputation but it has the potential to cure many of societies ills.

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Kermit8 Hevon 15 Nov 15 4.20pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Nov 2015 4.14pm Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2015 4.10pm A Muslim, Jew, Atheist, Pagan and Christian all go into a coffee shop. They talk, laugh and have a good time and even become friends. It's not a joke. It's what can/does happen when you are not an arsehole. Sounds like a street you'd like to live on. The majority get on fine and have no issue with each other when in contact. Forty years experience of living in London has told me that. It's just the fervent and anti-this and that minority who are the arseholes. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2015 4.10pm

A Muslim, Jew, Atheist, Pagan and Christian all go into a coffee shop.

They talk, laugh and have a good time and even become friends.

It's not a joke. It's what can/does happen when you are not an arsehole.

Sounds like a street you'd like to live on.

The majority get on fine and have no issue with each other when in contact. Forty years experience of living in London has told me that. It's just the fervent and anti-this and that minority who are the arseholes.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Stirlingsays 15 Nov 15 4.22pm
Quote serial thriller at 15 Nov 2015 4.18pm Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Nov 2015 3.44pm Eugenics is an area of interest to me and an exciting avenue for future human improvement. Misuse and errors in its applications from previous centuries ago have harmed its reputation but it has the potential to cure many of societies ills. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2015 3.45pm) You should research the area instead of holding onto prejudices from the past. Eugenics has great potential for human advancement and quite frankly the far better treatment of many people who today are derided for not having abilities or not reaching level potentials that they were never born with. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2015 4.23pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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You should research the area instead of holding onto prejudices from the past.

Eugenics has great potential for human advancement and quite frankly the far better treatment of many people who today are derided for not having abilities or not reaching level potentials that they were never born with.

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cornwalls palace Torpoint 15 Nov 15 4.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2015 4.00pm Are passports bomb proof? My understanding is that most of the terrorists blew themselves up. How did the passports survive. Or am I missing something? ..the one at the football entrance was being searched that was how he wasn't let in when they discovered the wiring, that's what I read somewhere, possibly had the passport in a bag or a coat he had taken off him before he decided to blow, but even then it must be badly damaged. .......has our coach driver done a Poo'yet, without thinking about Gus!
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Quote nickgusset at 15 Nov 2015 4.00pm

Are passports bomb proof? My understanding is that most of the terrorists blew themselves up. How did the passports survive. Or am I missing something?

..the one at the football entrance was being searched that was how he wasn't let in when they discovered the wiring, that's what I read somewhere, possibly had the passport in a bag or a coat he had taken off him before he decided to blow, but even then it must be badly damaged.

.......has our coach driver done a Poo'yet, without thinking about Gus!

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Stirlingsays 15 Nov 15 4.28pm
Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2015 4.20pm The majority get on fine and have no issue with each other when in contact. Forty years experience of living in London has told me that. It's just the fervent and anti-this and that minority who are the arseholes. Yeah Kermy.....'I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, I'd like to hold it in my arms And keep it company'. I mean it's not as if all those who didn't love it and could afford it buggered off or something.....Na....All together now, 'I'd like to teach the world to sing.....'. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Yeah Kermy.....'I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, I'd like to hold it in my arms
And keep it company'.

I mean it's not as if all those who didn't love it and could afford it buggered off or something.....Na....All together now, 'I'd like to teach the world to sing.....'.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 15 Nov 15 4.29pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Nov 2015 4.22pm Quote serial thriller at 15 Nov 2015 4.18pm Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Nov 2015 3.44pm Eugenics is an area of interest to me and an exciting avenue for future human improvement. Misuse and errors in its applications from previous centuries ago have harmed its reputation but it has the potential to cure many of societies ills. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2015 3.45pm) You should research the area instead of holding onto prejudices from the past. Eugenics has great potential for human advancement and quite frankly the far better treatment of many people who today are derided for abilities and level potentials that they were never born with. The only problem of course, as in the past, is that it will be used by a certain type to promote an agenda of superiority v inferiority a la Aryan Nation in the US. It will make them a bit more respectable. I know eugenics was in vogue and of immense fascination to many clever folk for half a century before a certain German corporal strutted his stuff but did anything ever come out of the research to prove anything worthwhile medically speaking? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Nov 2015 4.22pm

Quote serial thriller at 15 Nov 2015 4.18pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Nov 2015 3.44pm

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2015 3.45pm)

You should research the area instead of holding onto prejudices from the past.

Eugenics has great potential for human advancement and quite frankly the far better treatment of many people who today are derided for abilities and level potentials that they were never born with.

The only problem of course, as in the past, is that it will be used by a certain type to promote an agenda of superiority v inferiority a la Aryan Nation in the US. It will make them a bit more respectable.

I know eugenics was in vogue and of immense fascination to many clever folk for half a century before a certain German corporal strutted his stuff but did anything ever come out of the research to prove anything worthwhile medically speaking?

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serial thriller The Promised Land 15 Nov 15 4.30pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 15 Nov 2015 2.37pm Quote serial thriller at 15 Nov 2015 2.30pm Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Nov 2015 1.54pm Quote cornwalls palace at 15 Nov 2015 1.09pm ..but, not if everyone on earth thinks like a Nazi you knew the answer to that. If everyone thinks the moon is made of cheese is that a good thing? If everyone thinks that books that don't agree with official state dogma should be burned is that a good thing? If everyone thinks that Jews should be exterminated is that a good thing? Indeed the Nazis wished to turn the Poles into slaves so I'm not even sure that they envisioned a world with only them in it. Any society that replaces reason with dogma.....whether that dogma is religious or state leader inspired is a society that has turned its back on reason and the lessons of enlightenment. Keep Britain secular. But hasn't science, too, been used to justify atrocities? Throughout the 18th and 19th centuries, while Christianity was the backbone of pro-slavery arguments, the pseudo-science of phrenology, claiming that black people had smaller brains than white people and were therefore sub-human. On the subject of Nazis, biological justifications for the denigration of both Jews and disabled people were rife. The point I'm trying to make is that to believe a religion is at fault for human vice is to think of religion as something fixed rather than as something fluid. Like all beliefs, it is something which is interpreted based on the environmental conditions in which it lives. The last caliphate, the Ottoman empire, was a place of religious pluralism, ethnic pluralism and tolerance of homosexuals, even while it shared many religious beliefs with IS. Why did they interpret the same holy scriptures and religious teachings so differently to those in Iraq and Syria currently? Probably because they lived in a (relatively) peaceful, prosperous society, rather than in a region which has been systematically carpet bombed for decades. I'm an atheist, and because I am an atheist I view religion not in a spiritual sense but as a product of particular human societies. But to punish all Muslims is to do the exact opposite; it is to suggest that their is something inherent, transcendental in their beliefs. That's why it's stupid to stop accepting asylum seekers after this attack on the grounds of their religion. Not only are you physically turning them back to the enemies we claim to share, but you are igniting an antagonism towards 'the West' in the refugees which IS absolutely thrive on. Religion bends over backward to halt progress. It only yields to reason when it has no choice. The Catholic church has tried to stifle science for centuries and Islam wiped out the great scientific progress that was made in the middle east. We still have Christian loons in the US preaching creationism. And yet Islam gave us our modern numerical system and Darwin was a Christian. Yes, I agree with you that organised religion is a pain in the arse, but religion, as with any belief, has both good and bad sides, and to claim that everyone who holds a certain spiritual belief is bad because of that belief, as has been articulated on this thread, is nonsensical and is disrespecting billions of incredible people who are religious. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 15 Nov 15 4.30pm

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Quote cornwalls palace at 15 Nov 2015 1.09pm

..but, not if everyone on earth thinks like a Nazi you knew the answer to that.

If everyone thinks the moon is made of cheese is that a good thing?

If everyone thinks that books that don't agree with official state dogma should be burned is that a good thing?

If everyone thinks that Jews should be exterminated is that a good thing? Indeed the Nazis wished to turn the Poles into slaves so I'm not even sure that they envisioned a world with only them in it.

Any society that replaces reason with dogma.....whether that dogma is religious or state leader inspired is a society that has turned its back on reason and the lessons of enlightenment.

Keep Britain secular.

But hasn't science, too, been used to justify atrocities? Throughout the 18th and 19th centuries, while Christianity was the backbone of pro-slavery arguments, the pseudo-science of phrenology, claiming that black people had smaller brains than white people and were therefore sub-human. On the subject of Nazis, biological justifications for the denigration of both Jews and disabled people were rife.

The point I'm trying to make is that to believe a religion is at fault for human vice is to think of religion as something fixed rather than as something fluid. Like all beliefs, it is something which is interpreted based on the environmental conditions in which it lives. The last caliphate, the Ottoman empire, was a place of religious pluralism, ethnic pluralism and tolerance of homosexuals, even while it shared many religious beliefs with IS. Why did they interpret the same holy scriptures and religious teachings so differently to those in Iraq and Syria currently? Probably because they lived in a (relatively) peaceful, prosperous society, rather than in a region which has been systematically carpet bombed for decades.

I'm an atheist, and because I am an atheist I view religion not in a spiritual sense but as a product of particular human societies. But to punish all Muslims is to do the exact opposite; it is to suggest that their is something inherent, transcendental in their beliefs.

That's why it's stupid to stop accepting asylum seekers after this attack on the grounds of their religion. Not only are you physically turning them back to the enemies we claim to share, but you are igniting an antagonism towards 'the West' in the refugees which IS absolutely thrive on.

Religion bends over backward to halt progress. It only yields to reason when it has no choice.
The Catholic church has tried to stifle science for centuries and Islam wiped out the great scientific progress that was made in the middle east.
We still have Christian loons in the US preaching creationism.

And yet Islam gave us our modern numerical system and Darwin was a Christian. Yes, I agree with you that organised religion is a pain in the arse, but religion, as with any belief, has both good and bad sides, and to claim that everyone who holds a certain spiritual belief is bad because of that belief, as has been articulated on this thread, is nonsensical and is disrespecting billions of incredible people who are religious.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Kermit8 Hevon 15 Nov 15 4.36pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 15 Nov 2015 4.28pm Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2015 4.20pm The majority get on fine and have no issue with each other when in contact. Forty years experience of living in London has told me that. It's just the fervent and anti-this and that minority who are the arseholes. Yeah Kermy.....'I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, I'd like to hold it in my arms And keep it company'. I mean it's not as if all those who didn't love it and could afford it buggered off or something.....Na....All together now, 'I'd like to teach the world to sing.....'. It's not what I'd like to happen stirling. It's what is generally happening everyday in any major world city anyway. Tens and tens of millions just going about their day and business and from all parts of the globe. If there was bad friction it would be kicking off all over on a daily basis. It's not. On the major whole people don't mind other people. Best just to accept it rather than living in a state of exaggerated truths and paranoia a la Daily Mail. Life is really too short. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Yeah Kermy.....'I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, I'd like to hold it in my arms
And keep it company'.

I mean it's not as if all those who didn't love it and could afford it buggered off or something.....Na....All together now, 'I'd like to teach the world to sing.....'.

It's not what I'd like to happen stirling. It's what is generally happening everyday in any major world city anyway. Tens and tens of millions just going about their day and business and from all parts of the globe. If there was bad friction it would be kicking off all over on a daily basis. It's not. On the major whole people don't mind other people. Best just to accept it rather than living in a state of exaggerated truths and paranoia a la Daily Mail. Life is really too short.

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Stirlingsays 15 Nov 15 4.38pm
Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2015 4.29pm The only problem of course, as in the past, is that it will be used by a certain type to promote an agenda of superiority v inferiority a la Aryan Nation in the US. It will make them a bit more respectable. I know eugenics was in vogue and of immense fascination to many clever folk for half a century before a certain German corporal strutted his stuff but did anything ever come out of the research to prove anything worthwhile medically speaking? It's everything that has improved the genetic quality of life for a population. We have gene therapy through to liberal eugenics and so many applications that are all connected. China's one child policy was eugenics in action for example.......illiberal of course but we are estimated to have four million less humans in China now....Many of whom would have been in severe poverty. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote Kermit8 at 15 Nov 2015 4.29pm

It's everything that has improved the genetic quality of life for a population.

We have gene therapy through to liberal eugenics and so many applications that are all connected.

China's one child policy was eugenics in action for example.......illiberal of course but we are estimated to have four million less humans in China now....Many of whom would have been in severe poverty.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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