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Stirlingsays 12 Jul 21 7.09pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Exactly. Lets agree to agree its grey mate. None of us actually know the coppers intentions. We'd both be making assumptions. Justice has gone in America, at least in Democratic states. When I heard that they had convicted him of second degree murder...in other words pre planned and intentional....It's written large. When you look for objective evidence for pre planned it's non existent. It looks obvious that manslaughter is the charge as Floyd was neglected and shouldn't have been kept in that hold....though the same process has been done many times regardless of race....that hold is not new and was in international training manuals. If you're a white copper in a Democratic state you are on a hiding to nothing. There are videos online showing white US police shooting innocent white people and getting away with it.....Yet if the same action happens with a black dude the crime is instantly accepted as racist. Reason requires reasonable people. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2021 7.17pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

12 Jul 21 7.09pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Exactly.

Lets agree to agree its grey mate. None of us actually know the coppers intentions. We'd both be making assumptions.

Justice has gone in America, at least in Democratic states.

When I heard that they had convicted him of second degree murder...in other words pre planned and intentional....It's written large.

When you look for objective evidence for pre planned it's non existent.

It looks obvious that manslaughter is the charge as Floyd was neglected and shouldn't have been kept in that hold....though the same process has been done many times regardless of race....that hold is not new and was in international training manuals.

If you're a white copper in a Democratic state you are on a hiding to nothing.

There are videos online showing white US police shooting innocent white people and getting away with it.....Yet if the same action happens with a black dude the crime is instantly accepted as racist.

Reason requires reasonable people.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jul 2021 7.17pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 12 Jul 21 7.11pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan And this right here is what were dealing with when it comes to the brain virus that is critical race theory the default assumption to a white cop killing a black man is rACisM. I can supply evidence that white cops kill white people too but i suspect you would bsod and go back to shrieking racist. Despite me saying the total opposite a handful of posts ago, but crack on with your rant.
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SE19 12 Jul 21 7.11pm

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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

And this right here is what were dealing with when it comes to the brain virus that is critical race theory the default assumption to a white cop killing a black man is rACisM.

I can supply evidence that white cops kill white people too but i suspect you would bsod and go back to shrieking racist.

Despite me saying the total opposite a handful of posts ago, but crack on with your rant.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 12 Jul 21 7.19pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Despite me saying the total opposite a handful of posts ago, but crack on with your rant. Two of your posts are contrary to whats quoted above, if you believe it to be a racist murder then the onus is on you to supply evidence, you cannot. Ive lost interest in going round in circles and picking you apart. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 12 Jul 21 7.19pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Despite me saying the total opposite a handful of posts ago, but crack on with your rant.

Two of your posts are contrary to whats quoted above, if you believe it to be a racist murder then the onus is on you to supply evidence, you cannot.

Ive lost interest in going round in circles and picking you apart.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 12 Jul 21 7.21pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Do you really think if it wasn't for the players taking the knee, Rashford/Sancho/Saka would've been left alone on social media yesterday? Knee bending has nothing to do with the social media abuse metered out y/day straight after the game, THAT, mostly, came from Asia/Orient a described by GS in his presser this morning & has been identified by various agencies incl the Met, FA & UEFA IF, anybody thinks that the mostly pissed up lads on the streets of the UK were able to post abuse, then good luck to ya, some will, the nature of 'yoof of today'. Since this has come from abroad, we in this country, are unlikely to see any prosecutions. Will the 'social media giants' do owt, I suspect not. BTW, stop the knee, its embarrassing. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 12 Jul 21 7.21pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Do you really think if it wasn't for the players taking the knee, Rashford/Sancho/Saka would've been left alone on social media yesterday?

Knee bending has nothing to do with the social media abuse metered out y/day straight after the game, THAT, mostly, came from Asia/Orient a described by GS in his presser this morning & has been identified by various agencies incl the Met, FA & UEFA

IF, anybody thinks that the mostly pissed up lads on the streets of the UK were able to post abuse, then good luck to ya, some will, the nature of 'yoof of today'. Since this has come from abroad, we in this country, are unlikely to see any prosecutions. Will the 'social media giants' do owt, I suspect not.

BTW, stop the knee, its embarrassing.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 12 Jul 21 7.23pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan Two of your posts are contrary to whats quoted above, if you believe it to be a racist murder then the onus is on you to supply evidence, you cannot. Ive lost interest in going round in circles and picking you apart. You’re not a lawyer mate, grow up.
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SE19 12 Jul 21 7.23pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Two of your posts are contrary to whats quoted above, if you believe it to be a racist murder then the onus is on you to supply evidence, you cannot.

Ive lost interest in going round in circles and picking you apart.

You’re not a lawyer mate, grow up.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 12 Jul 21 7.32pm
I actually think the overwhelming majority of people who join the police in the US do so with good intentions however over time the crime, violence lack of support from up the chain of command wears people down until theyre just as violent as the people theyre arresting, I imagine its a bit like people who work in abbatoirs, its just a job at first but slowly it turns people violent and they will violently abuse animals before slaugther. Funnily enough out here im convinced the people who join the police do so for the bribes and the chance to kick s*** out of someone. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 12 Jul 21 7.32pm

I actually think the overwhelming majority of people who join the police in the US do so with good intentions however over time the crime, violence lack of support from up the chain of command wears people down until theyre just as violent as the people theyre arresting, I imagine its a bit like people who work in abbatoirs, its just a job at first but slowly it turns people violent and they will violently abuse animals before slaugther.

Funnily enough out here im convinced the people who join the police do so for the bribes and the chance to kick s*** out of someone.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Jul 21 7.47pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Correction, I called the racists, racist. Until I'm red carded, I'm here to stay baby. My goal for this thread is to continue to post reasoned insight, from the perspective of a black person, which is a very underepresented group on the HOL, on a topic born out of racism towards blacks, until the thread is inevitably locked and archived. Then, when taking the knee continues, you're limited to spewing your (not so)closeted racism in the pub or own home. Would hardly be a balanced discussion if I went away, would it? But reasoned insight from a white person is racist!?
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The garden of England 12 Jul 21 7.47pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Correction, I called the racists, racist.

Until I'm red carded, I'm here to stay baby. My goal for this thread is to continue to post reasoned insight, from the perspective of a black person, which is a very underepresented group on the HOL, on a topic born out of racism towards blacks, until the thread is inevitably locked and archived. Then, when taking the knee continues, you're limited to spewing your (not so)closeted racism in the pub or own home.

Would hardly be a balanced discussion if I went away, would it?

But reasoned insight from a white person is racist!?

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DanH SW2 12 Jul 21 7.57pm
Tyrone Mings going in two footed on Priti Patel and getting man and ball. [Tweet Link]
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SW2 12 Jul 21 7.57pm

Tyrone Mings going in two footed on Priti Patel and getting man and ball.

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Jul 21 7.57pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow It’s grey, no doubt about it, but in this case broadly I’d ask ‘would a white guy in the US have been handled/arrested in the same way?’ and I’d be fairly confident in suggesting they would not. Of course I can’t prove that, given you’re asking me to prove someone else’s intentions, but I think it’s a fairly logical conclusion. There is a picture doing the rounds where it is a white guy being knelt on as with the scum. The difference may be that whitey might not be loaded on a cocktail of drugs that would probably kill you without being knelt on!
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The garden of England 12 Jul 21 7.57pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It’s grey, no doubt about it, but in this case broadly I’d ask ‘would a white guy in the US have been handled/arrested in the same way?’ and I’d be fairly confident in suggesting they would not.

Of course I can’t prove that, given you’re asking me to prove someone else’s intentions, but I think it’s a fairly logical conclusion.

There is a picture doing the rounds where it is a white guy being knelt on as with the scum. The difference may be that whitey might not be loaded on a cocktail of drugs that would probably kill you without being knelt on!

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Jul 21 8.05pm
Originally posted by DanH Tyrone Mings going in two footed on Priti Patel and getting man and ball. [Tweet Link] She's asian and spent her childhood being called a ****. She said it in parliament. She has as much right,if not more as anyone else to be offended.
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The garden of England 12 Jul 21 8.05pm

Originally posted by DanH

Tyrone Mings going in two footed on Priti Patel and getting man and ball.

[Tweet Link]

She's asian and spent her childhood being called a ****. She said it in parliament. She has as much right,if not more as anyone else to be offended.

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Jul 21 8.06pm
Originally posted by cryrst She's asian and spent her childhood being called a p..i. She said it in parliament. She has as much right,if not more as anyone else to be offended.
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The garden of England 12 Jul 21 8.06pm

Originally posted by cryrst

She's asian and spent her childhood being called a
p..i. She said it in parliament. She has as much right,if not more as anyone else to be offended.

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 21 8.25pm
Originally posted by DanH Tyrone Mings going in two footed on Priti Patel and getting man and ball. [Tweet Link] Because the wisdom of footballers is revered across the land Stop it, please.
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