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Stirlingsays 24 Nov 20 10.32am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Fair. I'll rephrase, he has all but conceded. I can understand why he won't actually say the words 'I've conceded'. I highly doubt he will ever say that himself – it will probably be left to others to do so so he can protect his carefully crafted anti-establishment brand. He does not 'have' to do anything... again if he genuinely believed in his case he would stand his ground here and not begin the transition. This is another part of the slow trickle towards the inevitable. Then, free of governmental burden, he can build his own empire from a potential 70m+ fanbase. That is more interesting/worrying than dragging out this whole debacle.
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Stirlingsays 24 Nov 20 10.35am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
By some people on the internet? How will I cope. Soy latte?
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 24 Nov 20 10.41am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He hasn't conceded. Mmmm....are you sure you aren't invested SW19. Invested in what way? His authorisation of transition is it. It's the tipping point. The decision to do so moves the needle so far away from the probability of him having anything at all in his back pocket, along with the time elapsed since the first challenge, that rationally it makes little sense to think he has anything real to share. To me that seems obvious, but I can appreciate if you've been invested for so long in the possibility of him telling the truth on this, I can understand the reticence. I have no specific allegiance to either side, but the moves he's made (or not made) have quickly eroded any thoughts I had that he may have something. At some point you've just got to be logical about this. Do you really think he'd wait this long, AND authorise transition, if he had what people say he has (would be the biggest shakedown of democracy, possibly ever) as evidence? He would have hit it hard and aggressively straight out of the gates. Happy to be proven wrong, if he showcases the facts, evidence and spectacularly shows that this whole election was a mass campaign to kick him out via the method of widespread voting fraud and collusion amongst thousands of people that all managed to do it in secret... Then fair cop. Facts are facts.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 24 Nov 20 10.45am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Oh for sure, but the difference here is I think he's having to take these decisions as he is being forced to, rather than 3 weeks ago laying out a plan of action, which suggests that every decision he's made up to this point has been of his own agency. Considering what has happened and how I can't see how you'd think that to be the case. I would however agree that the plan/strategy all along has been to obstruct, obfuscate, create death by legal drowning to a) Save face and retain, even build his future fanbase and b) annoy the hell out of the Dems, and anyone else who isn't on his side. Which he is perfectly entitled to do. But it doesn't mean he actually has a grand plan, or that he even has anything at all. Not at least when it comes to this election, anyway. Beyond that, maybe so.
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Stirlingsays 24 Nov 20 10.53am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Invested in what way? His authorisation of transition is it. It's the tipping point. The decision to do so moves the needle so far away from the probability of him having anything at all in his back pocket, along with the time elapsed since the first challenge, that rationally it makes little sense to think he has anything real to share. To me that seems obvious, but I can appreciate if you've been invested for so long in the possibility of him telling the truth on this, I can understand the reticence. I have no specific allegiance to either side, but the moves he's made (or not made) have quickly eroded any thoughts I had that he may have something. At some point you've just got to be logical about this. Do you really think he'd wait this long, AND authorise transition, if he had what people say he has (would be the biggest shakedown of democracy, possibly ever) as evidence? He would have hit it hard and aggressively straight out of the gates. Happy to be proven wrong, if he showcases the facts, evidence and spectacularly shows that this whole election was a mass campaign to kick him out via the method of widespread voting fraud and collusion amongst thousands of people that all managed to do it in secret... Then fair cop. Facts are facts.
It's cool, facts are facts like you say and you'd hope that the outcome would fit them....I'll wait till he concedes, if that happens. Personally an outcome of two Americas is far more honest for me and while damaging in lots of ways I just don't regard this sudden desire for acceptance from Republicans as realistic....given the last four years. I liked Mainey's post because it's kind of has the energy and raw anger amongst activists on both sides. I don't see the elites containing that myself...and nor should they. I want a peaceful separation over these next four years.
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DanH SW2 24 Nov 20 10.54am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's cool, facts are facts like you say and you'd hope that the outcome would fit them....I'll wait till he concedes, if that happens. Personally an outcome of two Americas is far more honest for me and while damaging in lots of ways I just don't regard this sudden desire for acceptance from Republicans as realistic....given the last four years. I liked Mainey's post because it's kind of has the energy and raw anger amongst activists on both sides. I don't see the elites containing that myself...and nor should they. I want a peaceful separation over these next four years. Hang on wait - you think America, The United States of America, is going to separate into two over the next four years?
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Stirlingsays 24 Nov 20 10.56am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Oh for sure, but the difference here is I think he's having to take these decisions as he is being forced to, rather than 3 weeks ago laying out a plan of action, which suggests that every decision he's made up to this point has been of his own agency. Considering what has happened and how I can't see how you'd think that to be the case. I would however agree that the plan/strategy all along has been to obstruct, obfuscate, create death by legal drowning to a) Save face and retain, even build his future fanbase and b) annoy the hell out of the Dems, and anyone else who isn't on his side. Which he is perfectly entitled to do. But it doesn't mean he actually has a grand plan, or that he even has anything at all. Not at least when it comes to this election, anyway. Beyond that, maybe so. I think you are probably right. The 4D chess stuff was fun but mostly fabricated....still, most stuff in life is.
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Stirlingsays 24 Nov 20 10.59am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Hang on wait - you think America, The United States of America, is going to separate into two over the next four years? I'd like it to....I think it's the least destructive outcome. What the actual time frame would be isn't easy to say. However, I do think that America will separate at some point in some form yes, where you have different administrations on a federal level.
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DanH SW2 24 Nov 20 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'd like it to....I think it's the least destructive outcome. What the actual time frame would be isn't easy to say. However, I do think that America will separate at some point in some form yes, where you have different administrations on a federal level. And how exactly is that going to happen?
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DanH SW2 24 Nov 20 11.12am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Soy latte? Still the most nothing 'insult' there is yet you still persist with it. Weird.
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Stirlingsays 24 Nov 20 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
And how exactly is that going to happen? Hopefully peacefully but breaking away from centralised control is how America was formed in the first place. The Democrats were talking about this themselves if Trump had won. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Nov 2020 11.19am)
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Stirlingsays 24 Nov 20 11.19am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Still the most nothing 'insult' there is yet you still persist with it. Weird. Considering you'd just made a snide remark yourself to matthau I just naturally assumed 'what's good for the goose' and that you were fine with banter. Perhaps the mirrors work kind of strange in your gaff.
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