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Teddy Eagle 06 Dec 23 10.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How anyone can even contemplate knowing the personal opinions of those involved in running the enquiry beats me. They are all highly qualified advocates, barristers and a very senior Judge. Their master is always their brief and they leave personal views at home. Accusing them of being lockdown supporters is the kind of nonsense we get from Trump in the USA when he attacks those who uphold the law. They aren’t. They are doing their job. That Trump gets everywhere doesn't he? What was he doing with our defence tonight? It's also a bit chilly which must be down to him too.
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Teddy Eagle 06 Dec 23 11.00pm | |
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Badger11 Beckenham 07 Dec 23 8.12am | |
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Yes Minister's Sir Humphrey surprised Jim Hacker by saying he was in favour of inquiries. When Hacker showed surprised that Sir Humphrey was keen on getting at the truth he replied Sotto Voice "Oh Minster the point of an inquiry is not to get at the truth...." He then went on to explain how they appointed an independent Chairperson who would of course come to the "right" conclusion. It sounded plausible then and still does now. Edited by Badger11 (07 Dec 2023 8.13am)
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Dec 23 8.25am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How anyone can even contemplate knowing the personal opinions of those involved in running the enquiry beats me. They are all highly qualified advocates, barristers and a very senior Judge. Their master is always their brief and they leave personal views at home. Accusing them of being lockdown supporters is the kind of nonsense we get from Trump in the USA when he attacks those who uphold the law. They aren’t. They are doing their job. You have a closed mind and clearly no capacity to read between the lines.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Dec 23 8.28am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That Trump gets everywhere doesn't he? What was he doing with our defence tonight? It's also a bit chilly which must be down to him too. I was comparing attitudes formed by people with similar approaches to the way they seek to contradict facts. Trump’s being routinely on display should make it easier to recognise, although not by those who have them. Like Trump they never comprehend any opinion other than their own.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Dec 23 8.46am | |
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You quote from this source quite often don’t you? It’s not either the most objective or reliable. Suggesting that the enquiry has a predetermined agenda and has already reached its conclusion before it has hardly started its work, let alone published a report, is ridiculous. Not only is it not its function to hold or express opinions on the merits of lockdowns it is disrespectful to the professionals involved that they might. Their brief is to investigate how we responded to the pandemic, whether our preparations were sufficient, what went well, what went badly and where systems can be improved so any mistakes identified can be reduced if something similar happens again. I doubt whether an opinion on lockdowns will even be included in the report. This isn’t a post-mortem on the Covid pandemic and whether another would require a lockdown would depend on a lot of parameters which cannot be foreseen. The report, in my opinion, will concentrate on how, and when, decisions are reached and not on the decisions themselves. It will look at our preparedness and the availability of blueprints for a variety of scenarios to assist the decision making.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Dec 23 9.00am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You have a closed mind and clearly no capacity to read between the lines. Reading between the lines is the excuse of the conspiracy theorist. You can justify anything like that. Most things are what they seem to be. Quacking ducks being ducks. Who said anyone is beyond reproach? I am quite everyone involved in the enquiry has something they would be ashamed of in the shadows. What I said is what is true. They are professionals, bound by codes of conduct so strong that a transgression would result in the end of their career. Whatever your personal opinion may be it is set aside when meeting your brief. How do you think the obvious dregs of society find a barrister to represent them? Because the barrister is corrupt or because they are not allowed to refuse a brief?
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Dec 23 9.04am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Reading between the lines is the excuse of the conspiracy theorist. You can justify anything like that. Most things are what they seem to be. Quacking ducks being ducks. Who said anyone is beyond reproach? I am quite everyone involved in the enquiry has something they would be ashamed of in the shadows. What I said is what is true. They are professionals, bound by codes of conduct so strong that a transgression would result in the end of their career. Whatever your personal opinion may be it is set aside when meeting your brief. How do you think the obvious dregs of society find a barrister to represent them? Because the barrister is corrupt or because they are not allowed to refuse a brief? There is no conspiracy. There is just actual reality v your inflexible interpretation of it.
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Teddy Eagle 07 Dec 23 9.32am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I was comparing attitudes formed by people with similar approaches to the way they seek to contradict facts. Trump’s being routinely on display should make it easier to recognise, although not by those who have them. Like Trump they never comprehend any opinion other than their own. And now it's raining. Trump is a nightmare he can't even get the weather right.
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Teddy Eagle 07 Dec 23 9.38am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You quote from this source quite often don’t you? It’s not either the most objective or reliable. Suggesting that the enquiry has a predetermined agenda and has already reached its conclusion before it has hardly started its work, let alone published a report, is ridiculous. Not only is it not its function to hold or express opinions on the merits of lockdowns it is disrespectful to the professionals involved that they might. Their brief is to investigate how we responded to the pandemic, whether our preparations were sufficient, what went well, what went badly and where systems can be improved so any mistakes identified can be reduced if something similar happens again. I doubt whether an opinion on lockdowns will even be included in the report. This isn’t a post-mortem on the Covid pandemic and whether another would require a lockdown would depend on a lot of parameters which cannot be foreseen. The report, in my opinion, will concentrate on how, and when, decisions are reached and not on the decisions themselves. It will look at our preparedness and the availability of blueprints for a variety of scenarios to assist the decision making. It's an opinion piece so surely equally as valid as anyone else's. I quote from them because they often cover points being discussed and it's easier than cherry picking points. Apart from the BBC who else is on the list of objective sources?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Dec 23 9.39am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is no conspiracy. There is just actual reality v your inflexible interpretation of it. So the professionals running the enquiry are all biased and corrupt? They have already decided that lockdowns were necessary and making the public aware of this is the actual point of the enquiry? Yet you say there is no conspiracy but that this is reality! Have you got the address of the Law Society? They would much appreciate seeing your evidence so they can disbar all of them.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Dec 23 9.46am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It's an opinion piece so surely equally as valid as anyone else's. I quote from them because they often cover points being discussed and it's easier than cherry picking points. Apart from the BBC who else is on the list of objective sources? Opinion pieces are not all equally valuable. It depends on the status of the author and their motivations for expressing their opinion. Those who do it as experts to further understanding can express differing but equally valuable opinions. Those who write as journalists to bolster the opinions of a particular readership and keep the money source flowing, less so. There are a variety of serious sources. Some of who publish in both categories so that alone isn’t enough.
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