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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 May 22 11.10pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Sure, but bloaty mcbloatface still annexed Crimea. Yes, Obama was in place but Republican or Democrat, I kind of get the sense that this was always the plan once the annexation was effectively allowed to happen without much pushback from the rest of the world, no matter who was in the White House.

A more pressing issue will be the state of the worlds economy in the next 12-18 months. There are several different strands converging at the same time, I'm becoming more and more pessimistic by the day. Ordinary people already starting to suffer, and I get the feeling it hasn't even properly started yet.

Don't confuse him with the obvious! It will spoil his mud throwing fest aimed at Biden, who is responsible for everything he doesn't like, alongside a shady group of subversives known as "the elites".

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 10 May 22 11.24pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It is purely my own analysis.

I was making the point about the danger of a weakened foreign policy perception increasing the invasion threat if the Democrats got elected to SW19, that was over a year ago now....before the election.

Unlike you I don't talk drivel about the common man having power over elites or spread conspiracy theories like Russia-gate that have no solid evidence base other than the chatter of CNN adherents.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2022 4.20pm)

In the western democracies the common man, and common woman, has total power, if they are sufficiently motivated and organised. It
can be done, especially with the power of social media these days.It's in our own hands. We simply need to do it.

If you truly want to see the way elites can dominate a country, study what has just happened in the Philippines and be very thankful that doesn't happen here. Trump tactics have been studied and employed to the maximum, so that the people there have been convinced that truth is lies, and lies are truth.

Russia's involvement in the 2016 US election is not a conspiracy theory. It's an established fact. Trump has, so far, escaped being indicted but, as I have told you many times, that doesn't mean he won't be. You need to learn to be patient. These things can take a long time to come together.

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 11 May 22 5.44am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Why , oh why do i torture myself, reading some of this shiite ? Perhaps their is humour somewhere (well hidden), else I am addicted to mental self-harm.

 


I disengage, I turn the page.

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Stirlingsays Flag 11 May 22 8.57am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

In the western democracies the common man, and common woman, has total power, if they are sufficiently motivated and organised. It
can be done, especially with the power of social media these days.It's in our own hands. We simply need to do it.

If you truly want to see the way elites can dominate a country, study what has just happened in the Philippines and be very thankful that doesn't happen here. Trump tactics have been studied and employed to the maximum, so that the people there have been convinced that truth is lies, and lies are truth.

Russia's involvement in the 2016 US election is not a conspiracy theory. It's an established fact. Trump has, so far, escaped being indicted but, as I have told you many times, that doesn't mean he won't be. You need to learn to be patient. These things can take a long time to come together.

A significant majority of the country were for capital punishment.....made no difference....even when they voted for parties that told them they agreed.

A significant majority of the country were for significantly less immigration.....made no difference....even when they voted for parties that told them they agreed.

A significant majority of the country wanted more affordable housing.....made no difference....even when they voted for parties that told them they agreed.

A majority of the country were for Brexit.....made no difference....even when they voted for parties that told them they agreed the version they got essentially amounted to the status quo.

A significant majority of the country were against the Iraq war.....made no difference.

As for the cost of living and all the rest of it I won't even bother to repeat myself.

As for your Russia-gate fantasies, reality doesn't affect your opinions so I let you carry on embarrassing yourself over 'jam tomorrow'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 May 2022 9.00am)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 May 22 9.39am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

I now expect more twisting than Jive Bunny

 


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W12 11 May 22 11.23am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A significant majority of the country were for capital punishment.....made no difference....even when they voted for parties that told them they agreed.

A significant majority of the country were for significantly less immigration.....made no difference....even when they voted for parties that told them they agreed.

A significant majority of the country wanted more affordable housing.....made no difference....even when they voted for parties that told them they agreed.

A majority of the country were for Brexit.....made no difference....even when they voted for parties that told them they agreed the version they got essentially amounted to the status quo.

A significant majority of the country were against the Iraq war.....made no difference.

As for the cost of living and all the rest of it I won't even bother to repeat myself.

As for your Russia-gate fantasies, reality doesn't affect your opinions so I let you carry on embarrassing yourself over 'jam tomorrow'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 May 2022 9.00am)


The left leaning people are disengaged in politics because they always get what they want (things always move ever further left in this system)

The right leaning people are disengaged in politics because it doesn't matter who they vote for in this system. They get the same result.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 11 May 22 11.36am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by W12

The left leaning people are disengaged in politics because they always get what they want (things always move ever further left in this system)

The right leaning people are disengaged in politics because it doesn't matter who they vote for in this system. They get the same result.

I think it's more globalist than left.....I think the real left are uncomfortable with the globalist system and you can see that with Russell Brand and Jimmy Dore.....they definitely aren't right wing but they aren't supporters of unaccountable globalist systems either.....they see living standards falling and freedoms restricting and that doesn't chime with them either.

There's a centralisation v decentralisation aspect that transcends left/right.

The left/right debate is more culture war and while it's connected I'm not sure I want a future where I'm forcing people to live how I want to live.....but by proxy that should also work in reverse......I think the future is segmented....otherwise it's conflict where the end results is compulsion by one over the other.

 


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W12 11 May 22 11.51am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think it's more globalist than left.....I think the real left are uncomfortable with the globalist system and you can see that with Russell Brand and Jimmy Dore.....they definitely aren't right wing but they aren't supporters of unaccountable globalist systems either.....they see living standards falling and freedoms restricting and that doesn't chime with them either.

There's a centralisation v decentralisation aspect that transcends left/right.

The left/right debate is more culture war and while it's connected I'm not sure I want a future where I'm forcing people to live how I want to live.....but by proxy that should also work in reverse......I think the future is segmented....otherwise it's conflict where the end results is compulsion by one over the other.

Yeah I agree, the progressives are basically useful idiots for Globalism. The traditional left and "libertarians" (free market capitalists) are effectively very close to the alt right now though. This is what needs to happen as people wake up to the clear ideology of globalism.

Another thing I find amazing is that people genuinely think the likes of George Soros and Larry Fink give a s*** about "social justice" and CRT.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 11 May 22 12.12pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Yeah I agree, the progressives are basically useful idiots for Globalism. The traditional left and "libertarians" (free market capitalists) are effectively very close to the alt right now though. This is what needs to happen as people wake up to the clear ideology of globalism.

Another thing I find amazing is that people genuinely think the likes of George Soros and Larry Fink give a s*** about "social justice" and CRT.

Yep, you always tend to find it's 'rules for thee and freedom for me' amongst most of the elite class.

They already live the segmented lives that they deny to anyone else.....Like actor Leo flying in on private jets to campaign for climate change....it's performative and virtue points. If it actually affects them personally the support ends.

The people who pay are the little guys.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 May 2022 12.13pm)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 May 22 12.46pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think it's more globalist than left.....I think the real left are uncomfortable with the globalist system and you can see that with Russell Brand and Jimmy Dore.....they definitely aren't right wing but they aren't supporters of unaccountable globalist systems either.....they see living standards falling and freedoms restricting and that doesn't chime with them either.

There's a centralisation v decentralisation aspect that transcends left/right.

The left/right debate is more culture war and while it's connected I'm not sure I want a future where I'm forcing people to live how I want to live.....but by proxy that should also work in reverse......I think the future is segmented....otherwise it's conflict where the end results is compulsion by one over the other.

Yep. A true socialist I know is p1ssed with it all. Tony Blair really did fvck everyone while setting himself up nicely at our expense. If I was a judge I’d sentence him for racketeering lol. But the elites can and will. See PPE and Infosys etc and why I can’t vote for these actors

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 11 May 22 1.21pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yep. A true socialist I know is p1ssed with it all. Tony Blair really did fvck everyone while setting himself up nicely at our expense. If I was a judge I’d sentence him for racketeering lol. But the elites can and will. See PPE and Infosys etc and why I can’t vote for these actors

Those red eyes the Tories used in their posters in 97 really did turn out to be accurate.....he changed this country for the worse.

Tony Blair is the dark lord.

Here is a recent review of a speech he gave from the dissident right perspective:

[Link]

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 May 22 1.52pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think the person who is generally willing to dig behind more than just one narrative but multiple has a better chance of being more correct than most.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2022 9.31am)

Exactly, thank you for your support

For your interest, Al Jazeera is hardly supportive of the West! Note that today it has gone on the attack again with Israel. You hate Israel you aren't going to be a good friend to the US.

Al Jazeera is now at the centre of a feud pitting Saudi Arabia against Qatar, its super-rich neighbour. Several Arab countries, including Egypt and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), have joined the Saudis in isolating the tiny monarchy over its alleged support for terrorism and its ties to Iran. But what really irks them is how Qatar has used Al Jazeera to wield outsize influence in the region.

Because Al Jazeera is well funded and doesn’t need to make a profit, it can provide extensive coverage where others have failed. In the 2008–2009 Gaza war, for example, no station anywhere in the world could match Al Jazeera’s coverage, with multiple reporters in Gaza itself, in Israel, in the West Bank, and in Egypt. In fact, no other television station had live coverage from Gaza or Israel during the war—an advantage that many stations, including American, tried to overcome in the November 2012 Gaza fighting by sending reporters to Gaza. And even though Al Jazeera is often accused of bias or of an ideological bent, it has been bold in ensuring presentation of multiple views, including presenting Israeli views dating back to the 1990s, when few other Arab stations dared do so, as well as airing Bin Laden tapes, Iranian views, and hosting or covering speeches and news conferences of American officials—including then-secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld, American military commanders and spokesmen, and White House and State Department officials—during the Iraq war. So while Al Jazeera officials understood and catered to their audience, they also made sure they always aired views that challenged, sometimes even offended their audience.

There was also a price to be paid for Al Jazeera’s extensive coverage. Almost every government in the region was offended by Al Jazeera at some point, which resulted in significant pressures on the Qatar government. The United States accused Al Jazeera of incitement, and even China in 2012 was angered by Al Jazeera coverage, taking action against Al Jazeera English.

For the avoidance of doubt, I read a vast array of media and - ideally - academic articles. This is one provider that I sometimes find offers an interesting angle.

 

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