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SavoyTruffle 12 Apr 20 12.49pm
Obviously welcome support from other nations when we are in need but, in the last 24 hours we have accepted PPE support from Turkey and ventilators from Germany. When did Britain become a charity case?
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SavoyTruffle

12 Apr 20 12.49pm

Obviously welcome support from other nations when we are in need but, in the last 24 hours we have accepted PPE support from Turkey and ventilators from Germany.

When did Britain become a charity case?

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Apr 20 12.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Sure, however we have seen that the NHS were able to respond in terms of capacity....though to the detriment to other patients. All the deaths we are getting now are from before the lockdown and it appears to be leveling off rather than spiraling.....that's now previous viruses in the past have acted as herd immunity spread. The building of extra hospitals and provision happened quickly and lockdown or no lockdown it would have.... and has sufficed on capacity. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Apr 2020 12.11pm) Are you sure ALL the deaths we are getting now are from before the lockdown? The average days to death I heard was 18 days. We’re now on day 21 of lockdown. There’s also a delay of some deaths reported and some deaths not reported from Covid 19. But it’s no coincidence the length of lockdown. Then there’s the law passed for it to be 3 months isn’t it? COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Apr 20 12.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sure, however we have seen that the NHS were able to respond in terms of capacity....though to the detriment to other patients. All the deaths we are getting now are from before the lockdown and it appears to be leveling off rather than spiraling.....that's now previous viruses in the past have acted as herd immunity spread.

The building of extra hospitals and provision happened quickly and lockdown or no lockdown it would have.... and has sufficed on capacity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Apr 2020 12.11pm)

Are you sure ALL the deaths we are getting now are from before the lockdown? The average days to death I heard was 18 days. We’re now on day 21 of lockdown.

There’s also a delay of some deaths reported and some deaths not reported from Covid 19. But it’s no coincidence the length of lockdown. Then there’s the law passed for it to be 3 months isn’t it?

COYP

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Teddy Eagle 12 Apr 20 12.50pm
Originally posted by cryrst Ha ha same. I've got indoor slippers,garden boat shoes for the decking,garden trainers off on entry for the indoor slippers,out the front trainers off for indoor slippers on entry, I've got boots off clothes in the machine and in the shower straight from work. Door bell,door knocker, step, windows,sills it goes on. Hand washing before and after a sandwich ffs what's the point in the after. I know how you feel tom but if it makes them feel better I go with it. The last sentence is the married man’s mantra. Still not usually anywhere near enough but it’s a start.
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Teddy Eagle

12 Apr 20 12.50pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Ha ha same. I've got indoor slippers,garden boat shoes for the decking,garden trainers off on entry for the indoor slippers,out the front trainers off for indoor slippers on entry, I've got boots off clothes in the machine and in the shower straight from work. Door bell,door knocker, step, windows,sills it goes on. Hand washing before and after a sandwich ffs what's the point in the after.
I know how you feel tom but if it makes them feel better I go with it.

The last sentence is the married man’s mantra. Still not usually anywhere near enough but it’s a start.

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Apr 20 12.50pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle The last sentence is the married man’s mantra. Still not usually anywhere near enough but it’s a start.
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cryrst

The garden of England 12 Apr 20 12.50pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The last sentence is the married man’s mantra. Still not usually anywhere near enough but it’s a start.

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Apr 20 12.52pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Are you sure ALL the deaths we are getting now are from before the lockdown? The average days to death I heard was 18 days. We’re now on day 21 of lockdown. There’s also a delay of some deaths reported and some deaths not reported from Covid 19. But it’s no coincidence the length of lockdown. Then there’s the law passed for it to be 3 months isn’t it? Some reports are death and ventilation in days from getting it. Like we are all saying. Different people different reaction.
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cryrst

The garden of England 12 Apr 20 12.52pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Are you sure ALL the deaths we are getting now are from before the lockdown? The average days to death I heard was 18 days. We’re now on day 21 of lockdown.

Some reports are death and ventilation in days from getting it. Like we are all saying. Different people different reaction.

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SavoyTruffle 12 Apr 20 12.53pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Are you sure ALL the deaths we are getting now are from before the lockdown? The average days to death I heard was 18 days. We’re now on day 21 of lockdown. There’s also a delay of some deaths reported and some deaths not reported from Covid 19. But it’s no coincidence the length of lockdown. Then there’s the law passed for it to be 3 months isn’t it? I’ve not seen as low as 18 reported anywhere personally. I’ve seen 23-25 days on average from a few different sources but obviously averages will change depending if you are looking at country data vs worldwide etc. With that being said, by either of those totals we are now into the infection period for after lockdown was imposed. I don’t know about laws passed on length of lockdown, my understanding is it would be under review, not to say I don’t expect it to be somewhere in that region of time
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SavoyTruffle

12 Apr 20 12.53pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Are you sure ALL the deaths we are getting now are from before the lockdown? The average days to death I heard was 18 days. We’re now on day 21 of lockdown.

I’ve not seen as low as 18 reported anywhere personally. I’ve seen 23-25 days on average from a few different sources but obviously averages will change depending if you are looking at country data vs worldwide etc.

With that being said, by either of those totals we are now into the infection period for after lockdown was imposed.

I don’t know about laws passed on length of lockdown, my understanding is it would be under review, not to say I don’t expect it to be somewhere in that region of time

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 12 Apr 20 12.59pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Ohh your from the magic tree brigade, getting rude is always a sign of loosing an Argument. Our political influences are doing so well, we have never borrowed so much. Bruv lol. [Link] Nah Just calling out your usual dross MMT isn’t going anywhere soon, I suggest you actually do some reading and cross referencing before posting as it might then result in something useful to debate rather than circumstantial agenda driven hearsay Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 12 Apr 20 12.59pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Ohh your from the magic tree brigade, getting rude is always a sign of loosing an Argument. Our political influences are doing so well, we have never borrowed so much. Bruv lol.

[Link]

Nah

Just calling out your usual dross

MMT isn’t going anywhere soon, I suggest you actually do some reading and cross referencing before posting as it might then result in something useful to debate rather than circumstantial agenda driven hearsay

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Apr 20 1.00pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Sure, however we have seen that the NHS were able to respond in terms of capacity....though to the detriment to other patients. All the deaths we are getting now are from before the lockdown and it appears to be leveling off rather than spiraling.....that's now previous viruses in the past have acted as herd immunity spread. The building of extra hospitals and provision happened quickly and lockdown or no lockdown it would have.... and has sufficed on capacity. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Apr 2020 12.11pm) I think we are dealing with unknowns here to a degree and actions to avoid any accusation of political/economic expediency. It is a no win in many ways because the perception of success can draw retrospective claims of an over reaction and any appearance of failure can be blamed on poor judgement or worse, indifference. There will be no consensus on the matter as usual.
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12 Apr 20 1.00pm

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sure, however we have seen that the NHS were able to respond in terms of capacity....though to the detriment to other patients. All the deaths we are getting now are from before the lockdown and it appears to be leveling off rather than spiraling.....that's now previous viruses in the past have acted as herd immunity spread.

The building of extra hospitals and provision happened quickly and lockdown or no lockdown it would have.... and has sufficed on capacity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Apr 2020 12.11pm)

I think we are dealing with unknowns here to a degree and actions to avoid any accusation of political/economic expediency.
It is a no win in many ways because the perception of success can draw retrospective claims of an over reaction and any appearance of failure can be blamed on poor judgement or worse, indifference.

There will be no consensus on the matter as usual.

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Apr 20 1.04pm
Originally posted by DanH I would love to stop the antagonism but when presented with facts and substance that prove him wrong he doubles down on the b*llocks. It’s very Trumpian. Someone needs to keep calling him out. I'm not sure you have presented any facts that would be sufficient to make you right. To use this silly term 'Trumpian' only reinforces the idea that you speak from a position of entrenched political prejudice. I have rarely ever seen you post anything that I agree with but I live in hope.
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Hrolf The Ganger

12 Apr 20 1.04pm

Originally posted by DanH

I would love to stop the antagonism but when presented with facts and substance that prove him wrong he doubles down on the b*llocks. It’s very Trumpian. Someone needs to keep calling him out.

I'm not sure you have presented any facts that would be sufficient to make you right.
To use this silly term 'Trumpian' only reinforces the idea that you speak from a position of entrenched political prejudice.
I have rarely ever seen you post anything that I agree with but I live in hope.

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Stirlingsays 12 Apr 20 1.06pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think we are dealing with unknowns here to a degree and actions to avoid any accusation of political/economic expediency. It is a no win in many ways because the perception of success can draw retrospective claims of an over reaction and any appearance of failure can be blamed on poor judgement or worse, indifference. There will be no consensus on the matter as usual. Yep, it's all academic anyway. We just have to go with it. I do a three mile walk most days now....which is weird as I'm probably out more regularly than before. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

12 Apr 20 1.06pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There will be no consensus on the matter as usual.

Yep, it's all academic anyway.

We just have to go with it.

I do a three mile walk most days now....which is weird as I'm probably out more regularly than before.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 12 Apr 20 1.10pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Are you sure ALL the deaths we are getting now are from before the lockdown? The average days to death I heard was 18 days. We’re now on day 21 of lockdown. There’s also a delay of some deaths reported and some deaths not reported from Covid 19. But it’s no coincidence the length of lockdown. Then there’s the law passed for it to be 3 months isn’t it? It's a good point. The collection of these stats does seem to be a bit inconsistent. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

12 Apr 20 1.10pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Are you sure ALL the deaths we are getting now are from before the lockdown? The average days to death I heard was 18 days. We’re now on day 21 of lockdown.

It's a good point.

The collection of these stats does seem to be a bit inconsistent.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Apr 20 1.11pm
Originally posted by SavoyTruffle I’ve not seen as low as 18 reported anywhere personally. I’ve seen 23-25 days on average from a few different sources but obviously averages will change depending if you are looking at country data vs worldwide etc. With that being said, by either of those totals we are now into the infection period for after lockdown was imposed. I don’t know about laws passed on length of lockdown, my understanding is it would be under review, not to say I don’t expect it to be somewhere in that region of time It can be argued and probably proved that the (reported) death rate is starting to level off because of the deaths that would’ve happened in under 21days since the lockdown and under the 23-25 day death average haven’t happened because of the lockdown. Anyhow, as Hrolf said, the strategy is to prevent the NHS from becoming completely overwhelmed and unable to deal with anybody else apart from Covid patients. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Apr 20 1.11pm

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

With that being said, by either of those totals we are now into the infection period for after lockdown was imposed.

I don’t know about laws passed on length of lockdown, my understanding is it would be under review, not to say I don’t expect it to be somewhere in that region of time

It can be argued and probably proved that the (reported) death rate is starting to level off because of the deaths that would’ve happened in under 21days since the lockdown and under the 23-25 day death average haven’t happened because of the lockdown.

Anyhow, as Hrolf said, the strategy is to prevent the NHS from becoming completely overwhelmed and unable to deal with anybody else apart from Covid patients.

COYP

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