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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 21 Nov 20 10.06am |
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Originally posted by babylonjohn
Im not so sure sainsburys are struggling despite the argos closures. The supermarkets are doing very well out of this pandemic. With no pubs and restaurants theres no where else to spend money! And now they will have a monoploly on selling all the christmas tat and landfill. Its annoying to hear they are holding us to ransom over the main stand. Its a shame we cant apply some fan pressure like we did with Lloyds ... they wont like any negative publicity. Probably not the best time for any demos though ! Sainsbury’s grocery sales up about 8%. Argos outlets inside the supermarkets do well. Argos standalone stores have had to close in lockdowns, hence the company losses. They plan to close all the Argos shops by 2024/5. Problem I see is that by then more and more people will order food online and not walk near an Argos outlet inside a Sainsbury’s supermarket. Or the only people who will use Argos inside Sainsbury’s supermarkets will be for click and collect, including eBay, plus so they don’t have to pay delivery fees. When I’ve searched for stuff on Google shopping I’ve found stuff cheaper on Argos sometimes. Problem was it wasn’t available. There are just too many supermarket brands. More small shops will eventually happen as more order online. Once they start ordering they don’t want to waste time shopping. Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Nov 2020 10.12am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 21 Nov 20 10.44am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Sainsbury’s grocery sales up about 8%. Argos outlets inside the supermarkets do well. Argos standalone stores have had to close in lockdowns, hence the company losses. They plan to close all the Argos shops by 2024/5. Problem I see is that by then more and more people will order food online and not walk near an Argos outlet inside a Sainsbury’s supermarket. Or the only people who will use Argos inside Sainsbury’s supermarkets will be for click and collect, including eBay, plus so they don’t have to pay delivery fees. When I’ve searched for stuff on Google shopping I’ve found stuff cheaper on Argos sometimes. Problem was it wasn’t available. There are just too many supermarket brands. More small shops will eventually happen as more order online. Once they start ordering they don’t want to waste time shopping. Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Nov 2020 10.12am) One thing I have noticed about their supermarkets in my area Bromley, Beckenham, Penge and Lewisham is that all of their stores are tired and need a make over. Their technology is also behind the other stores they were the last to get tap and go credit card machines. I think they have been putting off major store redevelopments as they don't have the money so maybe a good offer from palace will persuade them.
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 AERO 21 Nov 20 11.10am |
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This is where I think Steve Parrish meant when he stated we would do things step by step .A more wealthy owner/s or care free one would have paid Sainsbury's what they wanted and the stand would be probably nearly finished now.Thats how I see it is it a good or bad tactic depends what side of the fence you are on ?
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| kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 21 Nov 20 11.14am |
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the whitehorse sainsburys is seriously grim.
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| Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 21 Nov 20 10.12pm |
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So how much would constitute a ransom?
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djcpfc  Within a 5 minute walk 22 Nov 20 6.47am |
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Sainsbury's are likely to drag their heels in the hope that we become inpatient and pay over the odds. Rightly a land owner is under no obligation to sell, and I don't expect the club to pay over the odds for the land so I expect this to drag on. Sainsbury's aren't going to give a sod about our plans other than if they see a negative impact on the store's operation. I can't see there being anything for them to gain out of the sale other than the cash. It would be good to know exactly how much land we need and what they are charging. I would expect the opening valuation was in the fantasy estate agent land.
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jeeagles  22 Nov 20 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by djcpfc
Sainsbury's are likely to drag their heels in the hope that we become inpatient and pay over the odds. Rightly a land owner is under no obligation to sell, and I don't expect the club to pay over the odds for the land so I expect this to drag on. Sainsbury's aren't going to give a sod about our plans other than if they see a negative impact on the store's operation. I can't see there being anything for them to gain out of the sale other than the cash. It would be good to know exactly how much land we need and what they are charging. I would expect the opening valuation was in the fantasy estate agent land. The value of the car parking space in operational terms to them will outweigh the value of the land in its own right. Each parking space brings in several customers making large purchases every day. Any disruption to parking will cost them customers. Once people change their shopping habits, it takes months or years to win back those customers, if at all. The clubs ongoing success is only a hindrance to Sainsbury's. Especially the way kick off times are now all over the place. Even back when it was built it seems a bizarre place to put a supermarket that can't open every other Saturday afternoon. Seems like the ghost of Ron Noades is back to haunt us. Did he really need to sell that piece of land to keep the club viable, or did the property developer just see it as a ploy to buy a club for cheap, sell a bit of land, then line his own pockets.
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| jeeagles 22 Nov 20 12.29pm |
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I've just discovered it was Bloye who sold the land. Ron Noades is still the son of a whore.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Nov 20 1.00pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
The value of the car parking space in operational terms to them will outweigh the value of the land in its own right. Each parking space brings in several customers making large purchases every day. Any disruption to parking will cost them customers. Once people change their shopping habits, it takes months or years to win back those customers, if at all. The clubs ongoing success is only a hindrance to Sainsbury's. Especially the way kick off times are now all over the place. Even back when it was built it seems a bizarre place to put a supermarket that can't open every other Saturday afternoon. Seems like the ghost of Ron Noades is back to haunt us. Did he really need to sell that piece of land to keep the club viable, or did the property developer just see it as a ploy to buy a club for cheap, sell a bit of land, then line his own pockets. I don’t know of any full supermarket car parks apart from tor a week before Christmas Day or the first lockdown this year.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 22 Nov 20 1.18pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
I've just discovered it was Bloye who sold the land. Ron Noades is still the son of a whore. Well you're going to love this then. Bloye sold the land for around £1m and charged Palace £800,000 consultancy fees. Noades the new Chairmen tried to get it back in court, however the judge said that legally Bloye had done nothing wrong. So Bloye got the goldmine we got the shaft. Edited by Badger11 (22 Nov 2020 1.18pm) Edited by Badger11 (22 Nov 2020 2.06pm)
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| jeeagles 22 Nov 20 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I don’t know of any full supermarket car parks apart from tor a week before Christmas Day or the first lockdown this year. Depends what time you go. I'm sure there are ones you'd avoid knowing that the parking is s***.
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| TheBigToePunt 23 Nov 20 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Well you're going to love this then. Bloye sold the land for around £1m and charged Palace £800,000 consultancy fees. Noades the new Chairmen tried to get it back in court, however the judge said that legally Bloye had done nothing wrong. So Bloye got the goldmine we got the shaft. Edited by Badger11 (22 Nov 2020 1.18pm) Edited by Badger11 (22 Nov 2020 2.06pm) You'll get nowhere citing the facts round here! In fairness, I think jeeagles was simply quoting the song/chant from back in the day rather than seriously disparaging the mans reputation. I mean, did Alan Mullery ever actually go to Rome to see the pope...? Anyway, I've never understood why Sainsburys has to close when we play at home. Surely it would suit them to be open, and do a roaring trade in pies, sandwiches, drinks etc? They might need to control the numbers coming into the shop, but if two young checkout girls can achieve that in my local TESCO when lockdown first started, I'm sure Sainsburys can find someone suitable in their ranks.
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