That post without the muslim bit is what worries me about brexit and one reason i voted remain.
A lot of our labour laws come from Europe, and we are fairly well protected within them.
I do wonder that with control handed back to each company to a degree; that the protection might well reduce.

I’m more concerned about the number of people expressing perfectly reasonably opinions that are being labelled as this so they can be ignored.

No.... people are drawing "assumptions" from these figures, not casual racism. Then when people raise concerns the left call them far right which people are not, they are just regular people reading the news , seeing the figures drawing conclusions. Facts are facts, we have a huge problem from a minority.

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Presumably you mean what would I like the Hungarian Government to do on immigration?

I would like the Hungarian government to stop stealing billions of EU money whilst simultaneously corralling public opinion against the hand that feeds Orban's swiss bank account.

If the money was actually spent on what was intended, then the Hungarian economy might be stronger and the country might become a genuinely attractive destination for immigrants.

Needless to say I would also like it if the EU developed a spine and dealt with the corruption.

If or when Hungary has a problem with immigration in the way that Germany and the UK does then naturally it should decide what to do about it.

But Hungary's immigration problem is an entirely existential threat that has been deliberately created by a corrupt Government. Ironically enough, the millions of Euros spent by the Government on anti-immigration, anti-EU, anti Soros propaganda has gone straight into the pockets of the media companies owned by Orban's oligarchs. From whence it flows inexorably in the direction of Zurich.

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But seeing how you're a fan of mono-culturalism or at least you'd prefer to live amongst your "own kind" you might find a trip to Hungary to be quite interesting. Certainly a lot easier than going all the way to Japan.

Theirs is an almost entirely mono-cultural society. I think about 98% of the population consider themselves to be ethically Hungarian.

100 years ago the situation was very different. Before the Treaty of Trianon in 1920 the Kingdom of Hungary (a state that was an equal partner with Austria in the Austro-Hungarian Empire) was 3 times larger in terms of territory.

But Hungarians were an ethnic minority in their own country.

Again somewhat ironically the issue which has united right wing nationalists since 1989 is this territorial loss which also resulted in the loss of about 3 million ethnic Hungarians whose ancestors still live in all the neighbouring countries.

The desire to see the former territory returned to what they see as its rightful sovereignty would result in millions of unwilling immigrants becoming de-facto Hungarian citizens.

And yet that is a problem that many nationalists say they would be willing to put up with in the name of "national justice".

Probably the experience of living in a country like this has a lot do with my entirely negative opinions about nationalism.

If you do decide to make a trip (which I can highly recommend) then look out for this ubiquitous equivalent to a GB plate. It's a map of pre-Trianon Hungary.

Try driving through Croatia with one of those on your car.

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Yours post on this have been genuinely interesting.....cheers. We don't necessarily have to agree for me to appreciate and somewhat understand your perspective.

No is your answer....Based on what you said my view would be that once you no longer pay into the tax system for a country you don't get the right to a say on its policies.....Mind you I'd always keep the number of foreigners allowed in a country below a set percentage using workarounds....As in Japan.

While I definitely share the idea that countries should be protecting and advantaging their national identities and cultures above foreign ones....it doesn't extend to that.

I'm most strongly of the view that these eastern European are right not to allow significant non European immigration into their countries....it's the main reason they have been free of terrorist attacks. I don't think it's sensible to 'wait and see' if a problem occurs.....of course it will....it will occur and expand due to birth demographics.

However, that's a separate question from how corrupt or not a government is or the systems beneath it all.

I have the suspicion that all the former Soviet union states are like this and that it's a hangover from how those states were ran. I know a former Romanian who is a doctor there and a Youtuber who holds this view.....He doesn't think it's changing anytime soon.

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