I didn't suggest you did need the Mail, Sun or Express to form your opinions! I said that is what they want from you as it adds to the chorus they are trying to raise in public perceptions.

I don't read the Guardian, anymore than I do many other media outlets. Which I do online almost exclusively these days and I can assure you that many more are from a hard Brexit position than a soft one. I tend to form opinions based on what people actually say, rather than what people say they said. I try to read the original documents and not someone's appraisal of them.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

The only plan Cummings has is who to blame when it all goes pop.

So far their main pronouncements are that they hope the EU will be reasonable. That is if they don't agree they are by definition unreasonable.

Parliament gets a few nominations. The sovereign supreme power that is required to follow the will of the people expressed years ago without the experience and knowledge of the following years that might just have changed its mind.

Next the establishment. Hmm please define. However you do so it is a nebulous collection of disparate groups who don't act as one and who are no doubt as divided on this question as all other groups.

Then the BBC. A suggestion too ludicrous to give further attention.

Alien lizard people. I know but a better candidate than the BBC

I don't believe that to be true and even if it was you don't run a democratic country with a gun held to your head. Just because a relatively small number of people may not like us leaving the EU the threat of violence should not stop us.

No sensible person wants to see a return to violence and I would be happy if in the future there was a united Ireland as long as that was achieved by democratic means.

One more point

The excitement of the moment followed by the massive disappointment of losing the Ashes series, could well be like Brexit.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Maybe that's because Pussay Patrol, Mapletree, Steeleye and Wissie have insinuated this on several occasions, which as you have obviously studied this thread intensely you will know. Again I do not have a sack of spuds on my shoulder but object to being spoken down to just because I happen to have different political views to those that know it all

New @ComRes poll for @Telegraph: if UK fails to leave EU by 31 Oct, 83% wd blame ‘Parliament generally’, 63% wd blame EU Commission, 70% wd blame ‘Remain-supporting MPs’ and 56% wd blame Boris Johnson