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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Oct 19 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Anyone else to add to the list of irreproachable authorities?

I visited the Supreme Court recently whilst I don't question their honesty the way judges are appointed is very old school tie, right thinking people appoint right thinking people.

There is no open process for any qualified person to apply for a job neither is their any public scrutiny of the candidates.

As someone said recently about people in positions of power:

Who appointed you?
Where do you get your power?
How can we get rid of you?
How do we stop you increasing your power?

I think the Supreme Court has taken the first step in increasing it's power by usurping Parliaments authority under the guise it is protecting Parliament.

That is just my non legal opinion and time will tell who is right.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Oct 19 2.19pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Seems a sensible move to ask an agency to keep an eye on things at this time of heightened attention on them. Judges should not have to be concerned about political attacks from right wing rags like the Daily Mail trying to stir up mistrust in our judicial system. It's not their area of expertise is it? That's the law. Judges have a right to a private life just as much as anyone else. Holding strong political views doesn't mean a plumber cannot fix a leak professionally. The law is the law. Judges judge things on that alone.

Politics would not change what a plumber does. Clearly, the Supreme Court has had it in for Boris which has affected their decision. More pandering to the Guardian readers. They probably use Sadiq's media team.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 06 Oct 19 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It wouldn't surprise me if they are currently using the services of a public relations agency to handle the scrutiny but I have no specific knowledge.

They do, apparently, have a "Press Office" to handle routine enquiries but I would guess it's quite small and not used to the kind of attention they are now subjected to. Handing out details of which case will be heard when and by whom isn't quite the same as being hounded by the Mail on what Lady Hale did last night.

Perhaps the PR machine can explain why Chakrabati did not divulge her close friendship with Lady Hale. Unless that is acceptable in your eyes, wonder what your view would be if it had been Boris/Rees Mogg in Chakrabati's position.
Of course, you may feel the "rag" is making it all up, hardly consider this hounding compared to what some others have had to put up with recently

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Oct 19 2.26pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Politics would not change what a plumber does. Clearly, the Supreme Court has had it in for Boris which has affected their decision. More pandering to the Guardian readers. They probably use Sadiq's media team.

Aren’t his team busy redefining what is meant by “knife crime”?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Oct 19 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I visited the Supreme Court recently whilst I don't question their honesty the way judges are appointed is very old school tie, right thinking people appoint right thinking people.

There is no open process for any qualified person to apply for a job neither is their any public scrutiny of the candidates.

As someone said recently about people in positions of power:

Who appointed you?
Where do you get your power?
How can we get rid of you?
How do we stop you increasing your power?

I think the Supreme Court has taken the first step in increasing it's power by usurping Parliaments authority under the guise it is protecting Parliament.

That is just my non legal opinion and time will tell who is right.

That must have been a very interesting visit!

Looking at the way the Justices are appointed it seems a much better system here than the political way it is done in the USA. Judges deciding among themselves who has achieved the professional status necessary seems a pretty wise way to approach this. I personally would not want there to be any kind of public scrutiny which could then lead to political considerations coming into play. The law and only the law ought to be involved.

Parliament is where the law is made and the Courts merely apply and interpret it when required. I think this idea that the Supreme Court has "usurped Parliament's authority" to be entirely false. It has indeed reinforced it's authority by definitively ruling that it is superior to the executive.

It's own power has not changed in any way. If Parliament decides it doesn't like the effect of any judgement then it has the complete authority to legislate to change it and the Supreme Court will then apply the new law.

That's just my own non legal opinion.

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 06 Oct 19 2.37pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I visited the Supreme Court recently whilst I don't question their honesty the way judges are appointed is very old school tie, right thinking people appoint right thinking people.

There is no open process for any qualified person to apply for a job neither is their any public scrutiny of the candidates.

As someone said recently about people in positions of power:

Who appointed you?
Where do you get your power?
How can we get rid of you?
How do we stop you increasing your power?

I think the Supreme Court has taken the first step in increasing it's power by usurping Parliaments authority under the guise it is protecting Parliament.

That is just my non legal opinion and time will tell who is right.

Would you be saying this if the decision had gone the other way?

Your comment about usurping parliament is wrong. Your observations on appointment accountability and dismissal are valid.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 06 Oct 19 3.14pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Would you be saying this if the decision had gone the other way?

Your comment about usurping parliament is wrong. Your observations on appointment accountability and dismissal are valid.

Johnson walked into this and the Supreme Court took him down, his case was simply non-existent.

More of the same please.


 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Oct 19 3.25pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That must have been a very interesting visit!

Looking at the way the Justices are appointed it seems a much better system here than the political way it is done in the USA. Judges deciding among themselves who has achieved the professional status necessary seems a pretty wise way to approach this. I personally would not want there to be any kind of public scrutiny which could then lead to political considerations coming into play. The law and only the law ought to be involved.

Parliament is where the law is made and the Courts merely apply and interpret it when required. I think this idea that the Supreme Court has "usurped Parliament's authority" to be entirely false. It has indeed reinforced it's authority by definitively ruling that it is superior to the executive.

It's own power has not changed in any way. If Parliament decides it doesn't like the effect of any judgement then it has the complete authority to legislate to change it and the Supreme Court will then apply the new law.

That's just my own non legal opinion.

I would hope you feel this about private schools.
Picking who they want as they are experienced at it and who would benefit their future success.
Oh wait does it only work in the judicery not in other areas?

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Oct 19 3.26pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

It's how you dont like it in the usa at the moment.
Political!!!

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Oct 19 3.31pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Johnson walked into this and the Supreme Court took him down, his case was simply non-existent.

More of the same please.


He didn't have a case or need a case. Remainer institution intervened so now they have placed themselves above the Government, the Houses of Parliament and the Queen. Hope you enjoy being ruled by a bunch of Blairite judges.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 06 Oct 19 3.33pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

He didn't have a case or need a case. Remainer institution intervened so now they have placed themselves above the Government, the Houses of Parliament and the Queen. Hope you enjoy being ruled by a bunch of Blairite judges.


 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Oct 19 3.48pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Would you be saying this if the decision had gone the other way?

Your comment about usurping parliament is wrong. Your observations on appointment accountability and dismissal are valid.

No because that would have meant that the Supreme Court recognised that this was a matter for Parliament and they should keep out of politics.

The precedent has been set and at some point in the future someone will bring a case to the SP which will infuriate those who are celebrating today.

I said at the start of this case far better for Parliament to decide what constrains should be put on the PM's power.

 


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