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  georgenorman  24 May 23 10.30am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We didn't, and wouldn't if we rejoined, stop being an independent sovereign nation as a consequence of being a member of the EU. The EU is the embodiment of subsidiarity and cooperation into our politics. It's not the replacement of it. So we could rejoin and use our sovereignty to opt out of free movement of people and any EU regulations and laws that we do not like?
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Teddy Eagle  24 May 23 10.51am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, when communication and travel became easier and quicker and the insanity of wars became clear to most. So never then.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 24 May 23 2.51pm |
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“They’ve lost control of the economy. They’ve lost control of public services, and now they’ve lost control of immigration.” Starmer is correct, but he suffers the brexit delusion just like the other politicians. The tories introduced the immigration model we know in the early 1960s, they are the natural party of out of control immigration. The people you see rant on from the right including here, actually support them unto their dying breath. If someone did get a grip, they would have a collective fit, their whole reason for living would be gone. 13 years ago there was a miniscule asylum issue, some concern as there always is about migration. However The tories have succeeded in turning a problem into a disaster, they are not in control of anything post-brexit as they pretend and the figures show that.
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| martin2412 Living The Dream 24 May 23 3.12pm |
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BBC News - Jaguar Land Rover-owner to pick UK over Spain for giant car battery plant It's good to see that the UK government can still attract huge investment from under the noses of the EU after Brexit. Doom-mongers must be a bit peeved.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 May 23 4.01pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
So we could rejoin and use our sovereignty to opt out of free movement of people and any EU regulations and laws that we do not like? What the terms would be is unknown but I expect there to be some more compromises than the offer made prior to 2016. Free movement of people within the EU was always a benefit in my eyes and now we have seen the consequences of current immigration perhaps more Brexiteers realise that too.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 May 23 4.17pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So never then. You don't think communications and travel are now easier? Being prepared to defend yourself isn't the same as waging war. Nothing is perfect but having institutions able to allow people to talk, or restrain aggression because of their size, is better than not having them.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 May 23 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Perhaps you should wonder why people think you are a delusional closet Lefty. As only the hard right and those to their right think that way there is nothing to wonder about. For such people, anyone who is in the centre, like myself, is to their left. No closet needed. I am a centrist.
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cryrst  The garden of England 24 May 23 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Hardly, as it was to me that she poured her heart out when I picked her up after her shift. If your car is not big and a double decker that may explain it
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| georgenorman 24 May 23 5.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What the terms would be is unknown but I expect there to be some more compromises than the offer made prior to 2016. Free movement of people within the EU was always a benefit in my eyes and now we have seen the consequences of current immigration perhaps more Brexiteers realise that too. So you are seriously suggesting that there is a possibility that we could rejoin and use our sovereignty to opt out of free movement of people and any EU regulations and laws that we do not like?
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 23 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As only the hard right and those to their right think that way there is nothing to wonder about. For such people, anyone who is in the centre, like myself, is to their left. No closet needed. I am a centrist. What's that? Can't hear you, sounds a bit muffled. To be serious though, you certainly aren't in the sensible centre. Your views on immigration, the grooming gangs, wanting to punish people during lockdowns, supporting unelected EU officials....doesn't seem like the centre to me.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 May 23 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As only the hard right and those to their right think that way there is nothing to wonder about. For such people, anyone who is in the centre, like myself, is to their left. No closet needed. I am a centrist. That's not how many on here would describe you. I don't see myself as anything other than a realist. I'm not interested in adhering to any political position. It means that I can have a genuine opinion instead of being hamstrung by loyalty to a particular ideology. Are you looking forward to the immigration figures tomorrow? Perhaps it will be an eye opener for those with eyes.
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 23 7.10pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As only the hard right and those to their right think that way there is nothing to wonder about. For such people, anyone who is in the centre, like myself, is to their left. No closet needed. I am a centrist. Are you really so sure you're in the 'centre' Wisbech?
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