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legaleagle 23 Mar 15 11.23pm | |
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Careful! You may put Stirling off again;Duncan Sandys established the European Movement in the UK, back in 1947...
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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 15 4.55am | |
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Quote Willo at 23 Mar 2015 7.02pm
Farage is candidate in 'Thanet South' at election, seat the Conservatives won at the last election with a majority of approx 7,600. And Conservatives won it the previous election.Farage has said he will resign as leader if he is not elected as an MP.
I think the voters will recognise that.
Edited by legaleagle (23 Mar 2015 9.02pm) That's actually quite amusing. It shows just how disconnected the pro-EU Tory leadership are from the actual candidate grassroots.
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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 15 5.03am | |
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Quote legaleagle at 23 Mar 2015 11.23pm
Careful! You may put Stirling off again;Duncan Sandys established the European Movement in the UK, back in 1947...
Churchill supported the creation of a European movement, Thatcher supported early visions of the EU. But what we have today however would have been supported by neither. Thatcher regarded signing up to those treaties as the worst thing she did. I'd say selling off council stock without replacement was pretty bad but she wasn't far wrong on her hindsight on the EU. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2015 5.04am)
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legaleagle 24 Mar 15 11.12am | |
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I was just teasing you Stirling! Though this account of the events leading to the formation of the European Movement, with a goal of "political,economic,and monetary union" for Europe is worth noting: "From 7 to 11th May 1948, 800 delegates from around Europe as well as observers from Canada and the United States gathered in The Hague, The Netherlands for the Congress of Europe. Organised by the International Committee of the Movements for European Unity and presided over by Winston Churchill, the Congress brought together representatives from across a broad political spectrum, providing them with the opportunity to discuss ideas about the development of European Union. Important political figures such as Konrad Adenauer, Winston Churchill, Harold Macmillan, François Mitterrand, Paul-Henry Spaak, Albert Coppé and Altiero Spinelli took an active role in the congress and a call was launched for a political, economic and monetary Union of Europe. This landmark conference was to have a profound influence on the shape of the European Movement, which was created soon afterwards. In fairness to Duncan Sandys, he was a big supporter of Ian Smith proclaiming UDI in Southern Rhodesia over the issue of "one person,one vote",so that arguably does buttress his status as having been a genuine "real Tory" of his day Edited by legaleagle (24 Mar 2015 11.40am)
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TheJudge 24 Mar 15 4.25pm | |
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We've got to a point now where you can't even express an opinion on a website for your own football team if it is counter to the idealized, quasi religious liberal,left propaganda on immigration. I have been banned from the BBS for highlighting issues that surround the topic and I find that disgusting. This is the Britain we now live in.
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ghosteagle 24 Mar 15 4.48pm | |
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We've got to a point now where you can't even express an opinion on a website for your own football team if it is counter to the idealized, quasi religious liberal,left propaganda on immigration. I have been banned from the BBS for highlighting issues that surround the topic and I find that disgusting. This is the Britain we now live in. Rumour has it that you were banned from the BBS for being a huge racist. And a spanner.
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imbored UK 24 Mar 15 4.50pm | |
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Quote TheJudge at 24 Mar 2015 4.25pm
We've got to a point now where you can't even express an opinion on a website for your own football team if it is counter to the idealized, quasi religious liberal,left propaganda on immigration. I have been banned from the BBS for highlighting issues that surround the topic and I find that disgusting. This is the Britain we now live in. Got to love someone stating 'you can't say' then go on to say whatever it is you supposedly can't.
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reborn 24 Mar 15 5.02pm | |
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Quote TheJudge at 24 Mar 2015 4.25pm
We've got to a point now where you can't even express an opinion on a website for your own football team if it is counter to the idealized, quasi religious liberal,left propaganda on immigration. I have been banned from the BBS for highlighting issues that surround the topic and I find that disgusting. This is the Britain we now live in. Got to love someone stating 'you can't say' who then go on to say whatever it is you supposedly can't.
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TheJudge 24 Mar 15 5.37pm | |
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We've got to a point now where you can't even express an opinion on a website for your own football team if it is counter to the idealized, quasi religious liberal,left propaganda on immigration. I have been banned from the BBS for highlighting issues that surround the topic and I find that disgusting. This is the Britain we now live in. Rumour has it that you were banned from the BBS for being a huge racist. And a spanner. Hello Ghost eagle. Well that is a rumour that was spread by Maz and his sycophant leftie brigade friends and it's simply a lie, plain and simple. A very self serving lie I might add. Unfortunately most of the mods on the BBS are as bad as the clique that condemns anyone who opposes their views and then act all innocent afterwards. They are nothing but name calling, playground bullies who are really brave from the safety of their PC's.
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Stirlingsays 25 Mar 15 12.09pm | |
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Quote legaleagle at 24 Mar 2015 11.12am
I was just teasing you Stirling! Though this account of the events leading to the formation of the European Movement, with a goal of "political,economic,and monetary union" for Europe is worth noting: "From 7 to 11th May 1948, 800 delegates from around Europe as well as observers from Canada and the United States gathered in The Hague, The Netherlands for the Congress of Europe. Organised by the International Committee of the Movements for European Unity and presided over by Winston Churchill, the Congress brought together representatives from across a broad political spectrum, providing them with the opportunity to discuss ideas about the development of European Union. Important political figures such as Konrad Adenauer, Winston Churchill, Harold Macmillan, François Mitterrand, Paul-Henry Spaak, Albert Coppé and Altiero Spinelli took an active role in the congress and a call was launched for a political, economic and monetary Union of Europe. This landmark conference was to have a profound influence on the shape of the European Movement, which was created soon afterwards. In fairness to Duncan Sandys, he was a big supporter of Ian Smith proclaiming UDI in Southern Rhodesia over the issue of "one person,one vote",so that arguably does buttress his status as having been a genuine "real Tory" of his day Edited by legaleagle (24 Mar 2015 11.40am)
As for good old Winston though, if you knew about his views at the time it would inform you that he didn't view Britain as apart of the necessary European union. He viewed Britain as cooperating and all the rest of it but not actually being within a political/economic union. He supported a European union without Britain.....Which is indeed what happened initially. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2015 12.10pm)
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legaleagle 25 Mar 15 8.04pm | |
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Not quite...though he did subsequently caveat the UK joining being dependent on the agreement of the Dominions. (article by Jon Danzig,2013): "At London’s Albert Hall, in May 1947, just a few months after his Zurich speech, Churchill spoke as Chairman and Founder of he United Europe Movement to ‘present the idea of a United Europe in which our country will play a decisive part..’ Churchill argued that Britain and France should be the, `founder-partners in this movement’ and concluded, `Britain will have to play her full part as a member of the European family’. In October 1948, at a Conservative Mass Meeting at Llandudno, Churchill made clear that Britain held a unique position at the heart of ‘three majestic circles’: the ‘Empire and Commonwealth’, ‘the English speaking world’ and a ‘United Europe’. Churchill described these three circles as ‘co-existent’ and ‘linked together’. He said, ‘We are the only country which has a great part in every one of them. We stand, in fact, at the very point of junction, and here in this Island at the centre of the seaways and perhaps of the airways also, we have the opportunity of joining them all together.’ The European Union itself lists Sir Winston Churchill as one of its ‘eleven founding fathers’". Edited by legaleagle (25 Mar 2015 8.07pm)
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Stirlingsays 25 Mar 15 8.18pm | |
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Quote legaleagle at 25 Mar 2015 8.04pm
Not quite...though he did subsequently caveat the UK joining being dependent on the agreement of the Dominions. (article by Jon Danzig,2013): "At London’s Albert Hall, in May 1947, just a few months after his Zurich speech, Churchill spoke as Chairman and Founder of he United Europe Movement to ‘present the idea of a United Europe in which our country will play a decisive part..’ Churchill argued that Britain and France should be the, `founder-partners in this movement’ and concluded, `Britain will have to play her full part as a member of the European family’. In October 1948, at a Conservative Mass Meeting at Llandudno, Churchill made clear that Britain held a unique position at the heart of ‘three majestic circles’: the ‘Empire and Commonwealth’, ‘the English speaking world’ and a ‘United Europe’. Churchill described these three circles as ‘co-existent’ and ‘linked together’. He said, ‘We are the only country which has a great part in every one of them. We stand, in fact, at the very point of junction, and here in this Island at the centre of the seaways and perhaps of the airways also, we have the opportunity of joining them all together.’ The European Union itself lists Sir Winston Churchill as one of its ‘eleven founding fathers’". Edited by legaleagle (25 Mar 2015 8.07pm)
It's well known and accepted that Churchill did not see Britain to be a full member of any EU. I think you confuse language meant to make European move closer together with what the EU is today.....These are two totally different things. Churchill would have been outraged at what parliament has given up.....He was a parliamentarian first and foremost. It is just wrong to push Churchill as someone willing to see Britain as a bit part in a sea of one vote nations.....Sorry Legal, he was no egalitarian lefty.
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