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 Stirlingsays  24 May 24 7.00pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Exactly, why aren't the Left saying that the Palestinians should have welcomed the diversity and enrichment of mass immigration. It's that famous ability they have to ignore everything that is inconvenient to how they want the world to work.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 May 24 7.03pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Not in 48 of course they aren't. However, you appear a little green to the history. 'Zionists' in Palestine had been moving in sizable numbers from since the Belfour declaration some thirty years prior.....all peaceful allowed immigration by the British and by the time of 48 enough numbers to do what transpired......and defend it against multiple nations. Once again, did the Palestinians have a right to resentment during this? Were the Palestinians right to fight for their land? I know you don't want to answer because the obvious connecting the dots harms your worldview. However, it's as obvious as the nose on your boatrace. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2024 6.47pm) I don’t agree with assertion I’m not answering or I’m swerving the question, because I am clearly engaging with it. I think you’re comparing apples and oranges. The bit in bold is also very pertinent to your comparison - the British allowing immigration into Palestine is an entirely different reality to what we are currently experiencing.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 24 May 24 7.15pm |
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The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was “given” by a foreign power to another people for the creation of a new state. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their numbers increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? Bertrand Russell
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 24 7.24pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don’t agree with assertion I’m not answering or I’m swerving the question, because I am clearly engaging with it. I think you’re comparing apples and oranges. The bit in bold is also very pertinent to your comparison - the British allowing immigration into Palestine is an entirely different reality to what we are currently experiencing. The denial of reality response was exactly what I was expecting. You're seem earnest and well meaning Dann....However, in my view I have to say you just don't want to face up to it. To you it has to be apples and oranges.....Otherwise the implications of what you support just aren't too pleasant. The alcoholic is always the last to admit it.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 May 24 7.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The denial of reality response was exactly what I was expecting. You're seem earnest and well meaning Dann....However, in my view I have to say you just don't want to face up to it. To you it has to be apples and oranges.....Otherwise the implications of what you support just aren't too pleasant. The alcoholic is always the last to admit it. Nope, I just disagree - I appreciate you feel like you’ve found this ‘gotcha’ idea, but it’s all based on a comparison which I find fundamentally flawed.
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 24 7.48pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Nope, I just disagree - I appreciate you feel like you’ve found this ‘gotcha’ idea, but it’s all based on a comparison which I find fundamentally flawed. I know, but you're horribly wrong and always have been on this. History is all the evidence you need. As is the fact that you could never bring yourself to answer the questions I posed. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2024 7.49pm)
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 25 May 24 12.20am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was “given” by a foreign power to another people for the creation of a new state. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their numbers increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? Bertrand Russell Palestine has never been a country and any argument that mentions this is inherently flawed. Russell had lots of opinions, and that's what they were, not facts
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 May 24 9.41am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Palestine has never been a country and any argument that mentions this is inherently flawed. Russell had lots of opinions, and that's what they were, not facts
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 georgenorman 25 May 24 11.44am |
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Because 143 countries now recognise Palestine as a sovereign state it does not mean that it was a coherent state in the past.
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cryrst  The garden of England 25 May 24 1.00pm |
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Is there a caveat that Hamas cannot be in control ?
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| Stirlingsays 25 May 24 4.34pm |
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What's going to unfold in Palestine/Israel over this ICC case is incredibly far reaching. The international pressure on the Netanyahu administration is massive, but as long as they have their rich political donors in place in the US they are relatively safe. The real losers are the non Jewish Americans...who see their soft power in the region possibly permanently damaged. Their 'greatest ally' is really their heaviest ball and chain. I can only have the impression that with both Israel and Ukraine the US political class still think they are living in the 90s and they haven't adapted mentally to the modern world's power dynamics. As wall street and their donors ensure that they all get to eventually retire absurdly rich for their corruption they won't pay a personal cost for failure (a feature of neo-democracy). However, the US itself is paying a significant and long lasting price for their corrupt boomer hubris. As innocent Palestinian children find out (and those Israeli children on Oct 7th), there is no real justice in the world....only the write ups of the victors. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2024 4.36pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 May 24 4.52pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Is there a caveat that Hamas cannot be in control ? No, but it isn’t. It controls the Gaza Strip, not Palestine.
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