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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 04 May 22 11.53am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Not the point. A womans right to choose includes giving birth which can lead to financial implications for the father who has no say in the matter. Any man who puts himself in the position that his actions could result in a baby has to accept that there may be consequences. If he cannot, he shouldn't.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 May 22 11.56am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Governments here just stuff the House of Lords with people who will support them. Who don't make laws. They only check and improve them. Nor do they interpret laws. The US Supreme Court has real power.
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Teddy Eagle  04 May 22 11.58am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Any man who puts himself in the position that his actions could result in a baby has to accept that there may be consequences. If he cannot, he shouldn't. Rather a sexist attitude. Don't women have the same reponsibility?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 04 May 22 12.33pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Rather a sexist attitude. Don't women have the same reponsibility? Exactly. To be honest I am all over the place on the abortion debate. I don't like telling other people how to run their lives and yet millions of abortions take place each year and that cannot be a good thing either. As for personal responsibility I am not harking back to the good ole days because they never were. However prior to the sixties women would take some care in finding a suitable mate as abortions the pill and benefits were not available. Today some women seem not to care who the father of their child is as the state will pay. I guess others take the attitude "oh well I can always get an abortion". Like I said I am conflicted and probably not making a coherent argument but abortion should not be a lifestyle choose although how you could frame a law is beyond me.
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BlueJay  UK 04 May 22 12.38pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Not the point. A womans right to choose includes giving birth which can lead to financial implications for the father who has no say in the matter. Just as removing the right to choose will also have significant consequences for men.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 May 22 12.48pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Don't care. The Democrats passed laws allowing for abortion up to birth. The court are right, these are matters for individual states.
Whilst this is how the so-called "pro-lifers" wish to present things, it isn't actually true. It's just evidence of how emotional approaches to this issue can over-power facts and become the truth in so many minds. What is true is that some state legislatures have been trying to tidy up the law and ensure that people don't get tangled up in it. As an example:- For those who believe a new human exists at the moment of conception, abortion is murder. For those who believe a new human exists at the time of birth, abortion prior to that is the sole decision of the pregnant woman. For those who believe, as I do, that a new human exists when a foetus has a chance of surviving outside the womb, having an abortion is acceptable prior to this, but not afterwards. In my view, it's fine for personal beliefs, whether or not religion based, to guide people on how they behave, but not when making laws which impact those who don't share those beliefs. If people don't believe in concepts such as "an unborn child, or baby" but rather in a woman carrying a foetus, then their views must be respected. We don't all see things the same way. I would like to see much more emphasis put on eliminating the need for abortion, through education and support, rather than trying to solve an insoluble problem through legislation which further divides.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 May 22 12.53pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Just as removing the right to choose will also have significant consequences for men. Of course. All I'm saying is that it's a woman's choice to give birth or not but the decision to risk pregnancy was equally taken by both parties; this doesn't mean men should go around impregnating women with impunity but they should have some say in the matter. With contraception so readily available as well as morning after pills it's not totally men's responsibility.
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| Stirlingsays 04 May 22 1.39pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whilst this is how the so-called "pro-lifers" wish to present things, it isn't actually true. It's just evidence of how emotional approaches to this issue can over-power facts and become the truth in so many minds. My statement should have been Democrats in Virginia pushed for abortion to be legal up to birth. That is true and here is the video evidence. Currently abortion in the U.S. state of Virginia is legal up to the 25th week of pregnancy. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2022 1.44pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 May 22 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Rather a sexist attitude. Don't women have the same reponsibility? Of course, they do. You though were referring to men having to pay.
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| BlueJay UK 04 May 22 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Of course. All I'm saying is that it's a woman's choice to give birth or not but the decision to risk pregnancy was equally taken by both parties; this doesn't mean men should go around impregnating women with impunity but they should have some say in the matter. With contraception so readily available as well as morning after pills it's not totally men's responsibility. Yes, that's fair. There has to be a sensible balance from both sides!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 May 22 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
My statement should have been Democrats in Virginia pushed for abortion to be legal up to birth. That is true and here is the video evidence. Currently abortion in the U.S. state of Virginia is legal up to the 25th week of pregnancy. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2022 1.44pm) It isn't true. You are circulating a viral video that has subsequently been shown to have included an incorrect statement, which has been corrected. You are doing exactly what I said was being done:-
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| Teddy Eagle 04 May 22 1.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course, they do. You though were referring to men having to pay. Exactly. A womans right to choose implies the man involved has no say in the matter.
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