Which media? The power of the media, or how we understand them in terms of the major news outlets, is diminishing by the day. The likes of CNN or the NYT essentially just look for click-bait from those on the Soc.lib side of things but change nobody's opinion on anything.

CNN in particular are just ludicrous these days. Does anybody even bother watching them anymore? I know there recent attempt to launch a subscription service was beyond farcical.

If there is a danger in this supposed ruling from the Supreme Court, it is that the divide just became more entrenched and we are now a step closer to what is essentially a white civil war going hot. There is no compromise anymore, no middle ground.

Now naturally I would blame the Left for this, given their hysteria over first Brexit and then Trump back in 2016, much of which continues to this day but those of us on the Right are also guilty of ensuring this gully grows deeper and with steeper sides. There will be blood on all our hands when this goes horribly wrong but for the life of me, I cannot see how we can ever reach any kind of compromise position ever again.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Governments here just stuff the House of Lords with people who will support them.

A woman's right to choose is an interesting point.
Dave Chappelle's take on it was by all means have a baby provided you're prepared to pay for it for the next 18 years. If you can kill it surely I can abandon it.

I have previously stated on here serious issues with how frivolously some treat abortion and that there should be clear limits on it. At the opposite end of the argument though several States have laws on the books that would immediately make abortion illegal if this was overturned. As you say, women aren't going to stop being in the same situations, hence backstreet abortion due to unwanted pregnancy (some States already have bills seeking to criminalise out of state abortions, so that likely wouldn't be an option), births resulting from non consensual sex (Alito even cited a jurist who supported marital rape), the unwanted and unloved, those having miscarriages criminalised under an assumption that they caused it themselves [Link] , horrendous Savita Halappanavar situations [Link] ..

There are many valid issues that in an ultra politicised environment will just get fobbed off. Ultimately if you look at foster homes, it seems those passionate about the unborn aren't so keen to get involved once the birth actually takes place.

As per usual in the US there is little room for balance when something becomes a cultural issue. Those whining one day about freedoms are fine with relentless government intrusion into others lives the next. Then the tables are flipped and it's the same in the other direction. There is very good argument that if a fetus is viable it should be treated as such. It's a shame that can't be the codified ruling in place rather than the current loopy mix of extremes this way and that across States. Outside of that, claiming temporary government ownership of someone elses body appears not to be a sensible direction of travel. From how the draft is worded it's likely to lead to several unrelated infringements of rights and freedoms. The usual won't care about that (where it isn't an attack on them), and the wild political pendulum swings from one direction to another will continue ad infinitum..

Edited by BlueJay (04 May 2022 3.02am)

I'd say the issue itself is not irrelevant as it will impact millions of people. As for the leak, whoever is responsible should certainly be held to account. It's not immediately obvious who it would be as I can think of multiple reasons for putting out there that would benefit either left or right..distracting from the issue itself (to diminish its impact), to get the justices to stick to whatever this draft says (its an early draft and its certainly possible that changes had taken place since) , as a heads-up or warning of what is coming, to make it a midterms issues.. the list goes on. We will know more before long I'd expect.

Edited by BlueJay (04 May 2022 12.24am)

Abortion doesn't kill babies.

It terminates a pregnancy.

Within those two concepts is the whole reason for this divide.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.