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.TUX. 24 May 17 9.43am | |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Agreed. Do they happen...of course they do...how often is clearly open to debate...it's also suggested that they're used for matters far far bigger than a bloody election I believe the election (to a degree) is an irrelevance tbh. It's more about the continued control through fear of the masses. ...however to consider a false flag event would be initiated on Children...and then by a British born civilian is beyond teh pale in my book. As i said, it is unsavoury, but it should never be fully dismissed. Surely if one were to happen it'd be by a nationalised individual from overseas and on a bigger scale.(?)
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VeganPower Chesham 24 May 17 9.46am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The idea that you can tax the wealthy to the tune of 45 billion and still maintain investment. The defence review and doubts over the commitment to nuclear deterrence. The lack of a commitment to reducing immigration. Yes, these are legitimate questions which would be foolish to gloss over. The first is easily dealt with. Any proper investigation into how Scandinavian countries economic strategy operates will soon show the casual observer that a more equal distribution of wealth is actually good for business. Just not great for the 1% at the top of the pile. More cash in most peoples pockets is spent in shops and creates a virtuous circle. Corbyn doesn't want Trident, but the Labour party as a whole does, so Trident will be renewed. Labour are likely to be soft on immigration, that's true. Although Theresa has had years to be hard on it and not delivered
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 24 May 17 9.53am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The idea that you can tax the wealthy to the tune of 45 billion and still maintain investment. The defence review and doubts over the commitment to nuclear deterrence. The lack of a commitment to reducing immigration. All of these points aren't accurate. The Funding Britain document which costs Labour's spending plans sets out extra revenue from income tax of £6.4bn. This is also adjusted downwards for uncertainty so is a conservative estimate. They also allow for £3.9bn reduction due to changes in behaviour. The manifesto sets out a clear commitment to renewing trident. There is no ambiguity. The manifesto clearly states that "freedom of movement will end when we leave the EU". The proposal is for a fair immigration system without arbitrary targets. They will crack down on unscrupulous employers who have migrant worker only policies and get away with paying below minimum wages and offering substandard working conditions. It would be a system based on needs of business but not giving businesses unfettered access to cheap labour. They would also set up a Migrant Impact Fund to target areas most adversely affected by migration. An actual sensible targeted policy to ensure we have sufficient labour but strain on public services are managed and improved. The Tories just have an arbitrary target.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 24 May 17 9.56am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
All of these points aren't accurate. The Funding Britain document which costs Labour's spending plans sets out extra revenue from income tax of £6.4bn. This is also adjusted downwards for uncertainty so is a conservative estimate. They also allow for £3.9bn reduction due to changes in behaviour. The manifesto sets out a clear commitment to renewing trident. There is no ambiguity. The manifesto clearly states that "freedom of movement will end when we leave the EU". The proposal is for a fair immigration system without arbitrary targets. They will crack down on unscrupulous employers who have migrant worker only policies and get away with paying below minimum wages and offering substandard working conditions. It would be a system based on needs of business but not giving businesses unfettered access to cheap labour. They would also set up a Migrant Impact Fund to target areas most adversely affected by migration. An actual sensible targeted policy to ensure we have sufficient labour but strain on public services are managed and improved. The Tories just have an arbitrary target. Apart from the prospective Prime Minister wanting to get rid of it.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 24 May 17 9.58am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
All of these points aren't accurate. The Funding Britain document which costs Labour's spending plans sets out extra revenue from income tax of £6.4bn. This is also adjusted downwards for uncertainty so is a conservative estimate. They also allow for £3.9bn reduction due to changes in behaviour. People can argue whether Trident is worth the money or the most suitable deterrent but all the time Corbyn is in charge they may as well remove that commitment. He has said on numerous occasions he won't use it
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 24 May 17 9.59am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Apart from the prospective Prime Minister wanting to get rid of it.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 24 May 17 10.02am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
PM not dictator. This point has been covered. He doesn't unilaterally set policy or make decisions. Trident would be renewed without doubt under a Labour government. It is indicative of the detachment from reality of the new left that they think a leader can hold views that are diametrically opposed to his party's published policy.
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VeganPower Chesham 24 May 17 10.03am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
It is indicative of the detachment from reality of the new left that they think a leader can hold views that are diametrically opposed to his party's published policy. Because he is a democrat and not a dictator
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hedgehog50 Croydon 24 May 17 10.05am | |
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Originally posted by VeganPower
Because he is a democrat and not a dictator Well he clearly is not a leader in the real sense of the word.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 24 May 17 10.13am | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
People can argue whether Trident is worth the money or the most suitable deterrent but all the time Corbyn is in charge they may as well remove that commitment. He has said on numerous occasions he won't use it
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 24 May 17 10.16am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Well he clearly is not a leader in the real sense of the word. What like Kim Jong-May you mean? I'd rather have someone willing to compromise on his own beliefs when setting nationally beneficial policy than the "dear leader" who is running an election as if this was a dictatorship.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 24 May 17 10.19am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
It is indicative of the detachment from reality of the new left that they think a leader can hold views that are diametrically opposed to his party's published policy. Published policy is a fact. It's in the manifesto, which has been published. We all know Corbyn isn't a fan of renewing trident. The manifesto (publish policy remember) states clearly a commitment to renew trident. QED. A party leader does currently (and therefore is able to) hold views "diametrically opposed to his party's published policy".
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