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W12 01 Oct 19 2.22pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

You’ve got to be on a wind-up?

Whatever your views on Corbyn, how anyone could describe his coverage as ‘getting a pass’ is beyond me.

This thread alone is evidence of the number of people in this country who will argue vehemently that Corbyn is ‘unelectable’ with absolutely no clue as to why - it’s been a hatchet job since day one.

Because he's openly supported pretty much every enemy of this country for his entire political career. This includes a long list of terrorists.

Because giving him privileged access to classified information would present a major security issue. How would you feel for example as a British agent working in a hostile foreign country knowing Corbyn holds his life in your hands?

Because we all know he is a communist which in many peoples eyes (people that pay attention to history) is just as bad as being a fascist. How many times have you seen him making a speech alongside the hammer and sickle?

Because people know he would be unwilling to protect his own citizens if it came to it. He would remove our nuclear deterrence, ruin the relationship with our major allies and likely direct funding towards our enemies.

Because he will introduce discriminatory laws under the banner of "social justice" that will effectively turn the native British population into second class citizens.

Because people know he would ruin our economy in very short order due to his plans to aim multiple punitive taxes mainly to the top 5% of earners in this country.

Because he values "equity" over freedom and only they get to decide what that means.

 

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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 01 Oct 19 2.25pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


Ratified? Remain lost. No ifs, no buts. It failed. Was rejected.

Can you tell me in what way, shape or form putting Remain on a second referendum is 'democractic'? Types of Leave, then perhaps (and I write that through gritted teeth) but having 'Remain' again? Makes no logical sense.

An election with parties standing on clear manifesto promises to Revoke A50, that I get. No issues at all. Despise them for it, would rather smash myself in the face with a hammer than vote for it but it is a valid political ambition to promote and then subject yourself slings and arrows of the democractic process on.

But another referendum with Remain on the paper when the result of the first one has not been implemented, that has ZERO democractic legitimacy. Absolutely nothing.


You could perhaps argue that if you have a clear manifesto promise in an election prior to this second referendum being held then you might just be able to still use the 'D' word to describe yourself but let us be clear. The plan is to foist another referendum on us without a GE first. That is what all this wrangling is about.

If they wanted a GE we would be in the middle of the campaign now. In fact we should be, given all the conventions around how our democracy is meant to work. We have a Zombie Government and a Zombie Parliament. It should be submitting itself to the British people today for a chance to resolve that awful situation. But it is not. And that is because of Remain Retards not wanting to actually submit this second referendum nonsense to the stress test of a GE.

Like I say I am pretty ambivalent about whether we leave or not, but the referendum won by 52% to 48%. Trying to depict that as some kind of comprehensive victory is ludicrous, particularly given that it was the second referendum this country has had on EU membership.

We should be having an election, and I think Labour have lacked clarity on this, but I think they are paranoid that Johnson has executive power to alter the date of it after it's been voted on. If I'm right on that, it's fairly simple: Johnson has to apply for an extension, call an election, then if he wins a mandate for No Deal, it should be implemented.

If he tries to bring it about on the sly, when it's overwhelmingly unpopular with the public, we may as well not live in a democracy.

 


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Matov Flag 01 Oct 19 2.33pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

JC is an experienced politician with a long career and it has certainly shown in his performance.

He has clearly mounted an effective opposition, reducing the governments ability to operate, and in reaching out to other parties.

In fact he seems to be in control of the whole thing.

All the tories can do is their usual pointless abuse.

LOL. Control? If he was truly a leader of the 'Opposition' then he would have submitted a vote of no confidence and we would be in a general election campaign. Or do you think it is positive that we have an executive unable to achieve anything.

Corbyn was a man of principle (his record of voting on the EU shows that although I suspect you wont be championing that) but that has faded. Now he leads a party with whom he disagrees on much with when it comes to the only major issue.

 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 01 Oct 19 2.42pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

LOL. Control? If he was truly a leader of the 'Opposition' then he would have submitted a vote of no confidence and we would be in a general election campaign. Or do you think it is positive that we have an executive unable to achieve anything.

Corbyn was a man of principle (his record of voting on the EU shows that although I suspect you wont be championing that) but that has faded. Now he leads a party with whom he disagrees on much with when it comes to the only major issue.

Amazing.

1. Party delegates voted to support his position on Brexit.

2. The NHS is breaking at the seams

Prisons are being overrun

We are building nuclear facilities in our country that have had multiple safety warnings

Disabled people have had their benefits cut by 40% in a decade

We are having ever increasingly more extreme weather

Levels of in-work poverty are at a level not seen since the Victorian era

We are increasing our debt by billions a year because we are subsidising failing private companies who are in charge of our public services.

And you say Brexit is the only major issue?

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 01 Oct 19 2.47pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Because he's openly supported pretty much every enemy of this country for his entire political career. This includes a long list of terrorists.

Because giving him privileged access to classified information would present a major security issue. How would you feel for example as a British agent working in a hostile foreign country knowing Corbyn holds his life in your hands?

Because we all know he is a communist which in many peoples eyes (people that pay attention to history) is just as bad as being a fascist. How many times have you seen him making a speech alongside the hammer and sickle?

Because people know he would be unwilling to protect his own citizens if it came to it. He would remove our nuclear deterrence, ruin the relationship with our major allies and likely direct funding towards our enemies.

Because he will introduce discriminatory laws under the banner of "social justice" that will effectively turn the native British population into second class citizens.

Because people know he would ruin our economy in very short order due to his plans to aim multiple punitive taxes mainly to the top 5% of earners in this country.

Because he values "equity" over freedom and only they get to decide what that means.

I agree with some, others are nonsense.

I find the notion that he supports terrorists very amusing; that’s some sort of 1950s propaganda and people will still lap it up.

I didn’t vote Labour at the last GE, and I certainly won’t at the next, before the usual playground retorts appear.

 

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W12 01 Oct 19 2.49pm

Originally posted by W12

Because he's openly supported pretty much every enemy of this country for his entire political career. This includes a long list of terrorists.

Because giving him privileged access to classified information would present a major security issue. How would you feel for example as a British agent working in a hostile foreign country knowing Corbyn holds his life in your hands?

Because we all know he is a communist which in many peoples eyes (people that pay attention to history) is just as bad as being a fascist. How many times have you seen him making a speech alongside the hammer and sickle?

Because people know he would be unwilling to protect his own citizens if it came to it. He would remove our nuclear deterrence, ruin the relationship with our major allies and likely direct funding towards our enemies.

Because he will introduce discriminatory laws under the banner of "social justice" that will effectively turn the native British population into second class citizens.

Because people know he would ruin our economy in very short order due to his plans to aim multiple punitive taxes mainly to the top 5% of earners in this country.

Because he values "equity" over freedom and only they get to decide what that means.

Forgot the obvious one - because he would let in millions more immigrants, reduce the voting age and turn a blind eye to mass vote rigging. There would never be another conservative or right leaning party elected again, the welfare state would collapse in on itself and Britain would default on all it's loans. Cue mass civil unrest, a fracturing of society along existing political, religious and ethnic/racial fault lines and a complete breakdown of the rule of law leading to a civil war or a dictatorship led by whoever comes out on top.

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 01 Oct 19 2.52pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Forgot the obvious one - because he would let in millions more immigrants, reduce the voting age and turn a blind eye to mass vote rigging. There would never be another conservative or right leaning party elected again, the welfare state would collapse in on itself and Britain would default on all it's loans. Cue mass civil unrest, a fracturing of society along existing political, religious and ethnic/racial fault lines and a complete breakdown of the rule of law leading to a civil war or a dictatorship led by whoever comes out on top.

It is funny when people who will call any mild economic forecast ‘Project Fear’ will happily rattle off paragraphs like this.

 

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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 01 Oct 19 2.57pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It is funny when people who will call any mild economic forecast ‘Project Fear’ will happily rattle off paragraphs like this.


Well played sir...the Hyperbole on all sides is getting tiresome. in a nutshell:

- the majority voted for LEAVE
- it will mean 3years or so of turbulence (no more than has already been the case due to ridiculous obfuscation)
- things will settle down after that and we can get on with doing our own thing

 


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W12 01 Oct 19 3.01pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I agree with some, others are nonsense.

I find the notion that he supports terrorists very amusing; that’s some sort of 1950s propaganda and people will still lap it up.

I didn’t vote Labour at the last GE, and I certainly won’t at the next, before the usual playground retorts appear.

I think that's the least contentious claim.

Then there is always his personality to take into account. I would never trust anyone displaying his extreme level of repressed anger.

I'm convinced from all I've seen of him that he wants to hurt people.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 01 Oct 19 3.01pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It is funny when people who will call any mild economic forecast ‘Project Fear’ will happily rattle off paragraphs like this.

George Osborne who was one of the architects of Project Fear said that if we voted to leave the EU the results would be so devastating that he would have to hold an emergency budget. Hardly a "mild economic forecast"

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 01 Oct 19 3.05pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

George Osborne who was one of the architects of Project Fear said that if we voted to leave the EU the results would be so devastating that he would have to hold an emergency budget. Hardly a "mild economic forecast"

No, it’s not.

But then I didn’t talk about George Osborne, so your post is somewhat irrelevant.

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 01 Oct 19 3.08pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by W12

I think that's the least contentious claim.

Then there is always his personality to take into account. I would never trust anyone displaying his extreme level of repressed anger.

I'm convinced from all I've seen of him that he wants to hurt people.

What does that actually look like though? As in he wants to see more people blown up and shot?

If we’re taking personalities into account, I think 99% of politicians on all sides are entirely f***ed.

 

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