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Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Oct 19 1.07pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Credit where credit's due? Also find it odd that you see all his work as a PR stunt. Literally no one had heard of him until about 4 years ago. 100 times Corbyn sided with terrorists [Link]
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Teddy Eagle 01 Oct 19 1.13pm | |
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Another viewpoint.
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Oct 19 1.17pm | |
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Remember, we have a Marxist, anti-Semite and terrorist supporter as leader of the Opposition. Yet he gets a pass from the mainstream media. And he could be leading this country. Let that sink in.
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Badger11 Beckenham 01 Oct 19 1.25pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You have obviously not seen 'spotlight on the troubles' in recent weeks, if you had your tory HQ view of the troubles would have been severely dented !!
I don't believe that is accurate. The Tories did not make peace in Ireland I thought I made it clear that many governments and many people from Tories, Labour, USA, SDLP IRA, DUP, Alliance, Church leaders etc. etc. and it didn't happen overnight but over many years so the players changed. Corbyn was not a player in the peace process because neither Tory or Labour governments trusted him. Victory has a thousand fathers...
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Oct 19 1.26pm | |
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Back to Brexit... Mainstream media witch hunt on Boris using 'inflammatory' language "traitor" and "betrayal". When Guy Verhofstadt suggests Leave campaigners could ‘end up on the guillotine’. Media response... silence! [Link] And remember Donald Tusk saying there was a "special place in hell" for Brexiteers. No outrage. Why aren't they both ordered to resign?
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serial thriller The Promised Land 01 Oct 19 1.33pm | |
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The thing is, I agree with a lot of the diagnosis on this thread. Our politics is broken, evidently. It is set up to benefit the most opportunistic, Macchiavellian and amoral figures, who care for democracy and the electorate only when it suits them. The media aids this, frequently sensationalising rather than providing nuance and rigorous coverage. That it is the least trusted national media in Europe is unsurprising. Clearly, to my mind, what we need to do is collectively build institutions that allow broader, mass participatory forms of politics, and promote politicians from a range of backgrounds who have convictions, and aren't just led by their egos. Labour's policy on Brexit has been written off by the media, who think the population are too stupid to understand anything longer than one line. Yet it was voted on, ratified and amended by delegates elected by hundreds of thousands of party members. At its heart, it pledges that any decision MUST be democratically ratified by the population, both in an election and in another referendum. But similarly, it is looking for a compromise while others (Johnson and co.) are desperately trying to simplify, antagonise and circumvent. Brexit needs to be done. Brexit won't get done if either side tries to take over the whole thing - either No Dealers or Remainers. So again, to my mind as a relatively neutral observer on the issue, the only option that seems plausible if you want to leave is the agreement voted on at Labour conference.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 01 Oct 19 1.35pm | |
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Back to the matter in hand I have no issue in principal with checks on goods happening in warehouse, or at another location rather than an actual border check post. I seriously question how it would be in any way efficient or practical in reality, but if that means getting a deal through then so be it for now. Also, I'm getting insanely annoyed by the constant use of 'Island of Ireland'.
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DanH SW2 01 Oct 19 1.38pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The thing is, I agree with a lot of the diagnosis on this thread. Our politics is broken, evidently. It is set up to benefit the most opportunistic, Macchiavellian and amoral figures, who care for democracy and the electorate only when it suits them. The media aids this, frequently sensationalising rather than providing nuance and rigorous coverage. That it is the least trusted national media in Europe is unsurprising. Clearly, to my mind, what we need to do is collectively build institutions that allow broader, mass participatory forms of politics, and promote politicians from a range of backgrounds who have convictions, and aren't just led by their egos. Labour's policy on Brexit has been written off by the media, who think the population are too stupid to understand anything longer than one line. Yet it was voted on, ratified and amended by delegates elected by hundreds of thousands of party members. At its heart, it pledges that any decision MUST be democratically ratified by the population, both in an election and in another referendum. But similarly, it is looking for a compromise while others (Johnson and co.) are desperately trying to simplify, antagonise and circumvent. Brexit needs to be done. Brexit won't get done if either side tries to take over the whole thing - either No Dealers or Remainers. So again, to my mind as a relatively neutral observer on the issue, the only option that seems plausible if you want to leave is the agreement voted on at Labour conference. Not sure having Tommy Robinson in parliament is a good idea IMHO.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 01 Oct 19 1.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Back to Brexit... Mainstream media witch hunt on Boris using 'inflammatory' language "traitor" and "betrayal". When Guy Verhofstadt suggests Leave campaigners could ‘end up on the guillotine’. Media response... silence! [Link] And remember Donald Tusk saying there was a "special place in hell" for Brexiteers. No outrage. Why aren't they both ordered to resign? Again, it baffles me the lengths to which some, who claim to be anti-establishment, will go to defend Boris Johnson.
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Matov 01 Oct 19 1.52pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Can you tell me in what way, shape or form putting Remain on a second referendum is 'democractic'? Types of Leave, then perhaps (and I write that through gritted teeth) but having 'Remain' again? Makes no logical sense. An election with parties standing on clear manifesto promises to Revoke A50, that I get. No issues at all. Despise them for it, would rather smash myself in the face with a hammer than vote for it but it is a valid political ambition to promote and then subject yourself slings and arrows of the democractic process on. But another referendum with Remain on the paper when the result of the first one has not been implemented, that has ZERO democractic legitimacy. Absolutely nothing.
If they wanted a GE we would be in the middle of the campaign now. In fact we should be, given all the conventions around how our democracy is meant to work. We have a Zombie Government and a Zombie Parliament. It should be submitting itself to the British people today for a chance to resolve that awful situation. But it is not. And that is because of Remain Retards not wanting to actually submit this second referendum nonsense to the stress test of a GE.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Oct 19 1.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Remember, we have a Marxist, anti-Semite and terrorist supporter as leader of the Opposition. Yet he gets a pass from the mainstream media. And he could be leading this country. Let that sink in. You’ve got to be on a wind-up? Whatever your views on Corbyn, how anyone could describe his coverage as ‘getting a pass’ is beyond me. This thread alone is evidence of the number of people in this country who will argue vehemently that Corbyn is ‘unelectable’ with absolutely no clue as to why - it’s been a hatchet job since day one.
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steeleye20 Croydon 01 Oct 19 2.22pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You’ve got to be on a wind-up? Whatever your views on Corbyn, how anyone could describe his coverage as ‘getting a pass’ is beyond me. This thread alone is evidence of the number of people in this country who will argue vehemently that Corbyn is ‘unelectable’ with absolutely no clue as to why - it’s been a hatchet job since day one. JC is an experienced politician with a long career and it has certainly shown in his performance. He has clearly mounted an effective opposition, reducing the governments ability to operate, and in reaching out to other parties. In fact he seems to be in control of the whole thing. All the tories can do is their usual pointless abuse.
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