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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 Stirlingsays  09 May 22 10.21am |
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Originally posted by W12
Melitopol - currently under Russian military occupation. It's part of the narrative to omit the level of support Russia has in east and south Ukraine. Well, in fact there are Russian supporters all over...just mainly centred there. There's no recognition that the 2014 coup unseated a democratically elected pro Russian president....pure evidence of that support and dividing lines that exist. Instead the division in the country is rarely focused upon because.....because once again....it greys the narrative. People prefer nice black and white narratives whereas real life is rarely like that but inconvenient truths are ignored for comfortable lies. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 May 2022 10.24am)
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| Stirlingsays 09 May 22 10.31am |
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Putin's speech with English audio.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 May 22 10.48am |
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If he was in normal life everyone would just call him a c0ck and leave it at that
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 May 22 10.52am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Came across this today. Ignore who published it! It is written by Michael Clarke, who is a genuine expert and very experienced analyst. It's scary in that Putin has nowhere to go that looks positive for him, so if the rumours about his health are true, then he could well escalate without warning, or personal worry. That’s how I read it when I saw it, so I’d hold off the sighs of relief for now. For quite a while
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| W12 09 May 22 11.07am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's part of the narrative to omit the level of support Russia has in east and south Ukraine. Well, in fact there are Russian supporters all over...just mainly centred there. There's no recognition that the 2014 coup unseated a democratically elected pro Russian president....pure evidence of that support and dividing lines that exist. Instead the division in the country is rarely focused upon because.....because once again....it greys the narrative. People prefer nice black and white narratives whereas real life is rarely like that but inconvenient truths are ignored for comfortable lies. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 May 2022 10.24am) I don't understand why people were not questioning the reason why there were civilians in the steelworks in Mariupol by the way. More generally (and this could apply to many threads) I simply can't understand why nobody is willing to change their mind about literally anything. I've had to change my mind about pretty much everything these last few years.
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| Stirlingsays 09 May 22 11.32am |
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Originally posted by W12
I don't understand why people were not questioning the reason why there were civilians in the steelworks in Mariupol by the way. More generally (and this could apply to many threads) I simply can't understand why nobody is willing to change their mind about literally anything. I've had to change my mind about pretty much everything these last few years. Apparently you changed your mind due to Russian propaganda. You can't come to any other conclusion without it.
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| W12 09 May 22 11.53am | |
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One thing I’ve learned is that many things are not intuitive. Just because something “feels” like it might be right it often does not make it so.
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| Stirlingsays 09 May 22 11.59am |
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Originally posted by W12
One thing I’ve learned is that many things are not intuitive. Just because something “feels” like it might be right it often does not make it so. One thing that did it for me is learning about elite theory, which despite what some jokers think is over a hundred years old. One of the top figures on the UK dissident right has just written a book on it. He's half Iranian, which will disappoint all the 'racist' obsessives.
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| W12 09 May 22 12.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
One thing that did it for me is learning about elite theory, which despite what some jokers think is over a hundred years old. One of the top figures on the UK dissident right has just written a book on it. He's half Iranian, which will disappoint all the 'racist' obsessives. I’m familiar. Understanding the world takes unlearning quite a lot of old bollocks as much as anything else.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 May 22 12.21pm |
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Originally posted by W12
I don't understand why people were not questioning the reason why there were civilians in the steelworks in Mariupol by the way. More generally (and this could apply to many threads) I simply can't understand why nobody is willing to change their mind about literally anything. I've had to change my mind about pretty much everything these last few years. The civilians were there for the same reason we would all seek a safe place when your home has been destroyed along with the surrounding city. Most people are willing to change their mind when the facts require them to. In this case the facts are so blindingly obvious, using the evidence of our own eyes and ears, that the only changes needed are the removal of any degree of tolerance for, and hope in, Putin.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 09 May 22 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
If the people of Ukraine haven't suffered enough already now they have to put up with Bono, I feel for them. I saw that. My first thought of Bono was "Oh, he's STILL a massive c-unt"
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| steeleye20 Croydon 09 May 22 12.37pm |
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The 'Great Patriotic War Version 2.0'. Putin is talking s***e, he has driven his country into a dark long tunnel. I am only sorry we did not nuke his parade. The west aren't even fighting him, he can't start WW3 because nobody will engage with him for meaningless losses like his. His 'win' will only move the border closer to Ukrainian citizens who understandably detest him and will have the west's backing. As for NATO expansion, well he is creating it, isn't he.
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