The EDL want to kick all Muslims out of the country?

I very much doubt that.

I think a problem exists where organisations aren't allowed to speak publicly and instead their opponents speak for them and present a skewed picture which fits what they want to believe and conversely others too.

After reading his comment I went to look for the actual EDL website to see if this is actually true using duck duck go, (which uses Google's results).

Instead of finding the website I only found anti EDL propaganda....maybe their actual website is on a page somewhere but I didn't find it. Hence people don't research and just say what the media feed them.

Yet when you look for the UK communist party using Google their website comes up as the first link.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2020 1.02pm)

EDL are a cunning organisation. Tommy Robison is a very smart man who plays close to the line with a narrative that is designed to incite racial hatred.

All his facebook clips are carefully planned and unfortunately loud mouth idiots in the left are to arrogant to realise he is smart and keep throwing a predictable preconceived ideas at him which he already has all the answers too.

Then the EDL draws a load of supporters in who all get shouted at by Anti-FA for being scum which will only entrench their views. When really, the "liberal elite" need to get better at working out the concerns of everyday people just trying to get by.

The existence of both organisations is a pretty daming enditment of the leadership we've had for decades in this country.

With respect you are just reinforcing my commentary from my previous post.

Robinson certainly started the EDL however he also left it way back in October 2013. To cut a long story short he cited 'far right infiltration', though he later claimed he was paid to do so.

I was aware of this. It was a cunning move by Robinson, he distanced himself from outwardley racist goons he couldn't control, so he could continue his defamitory tirade against Muslim's in the carefully choreographed techniques I spoke about previously.

You cited his facebook clips when actually Robinson is banned from the Facebook platform......such a liberal society.
Whether it be Facebook, youtube, twitter, or tictok. He used social media as his platform to boost his profile and continously post close to the line clips that were designed to lead the viewer to one conclusion without outwardly saying anything illegal.

Again with respect it can be highlighted that when you accused Robinson of 'inciting racial hatred' it can be said that you used the same logic that you criticised in your earlier post. One where a reasonable position is then twisted into an extreme one.
Constast, unrelenting anti-muslim posts against the islamic religion, islamic grooming gangs, islamic terrorism are all designed to insite hatred against islam. It's categorically the definition of inciting racial hatred.

In your case it would run something like this:

I don't agree with Tommy Robinson after finding out what he actually believes > Tommy Robinson is 'inciting racial hatred'.
Numerous government organsiation and private media outlets have all recognised that he is a right-wing extremist. It's a fact.

I will respond to that with the actual facts. The EDL was started with black members within it. It also had an Asian Sikh division within it. I suggest that your 'racial hatred' claim is very much a distorted vision of what Robinson intends.
The ignorance in this statement is truely rediculous. Just because one minority group is a member it can't mean that it still isn't inciting racial hatred against another group. Had it escaped you that black people and Sikh's may also have anti-islamic views?

As for how bright Robinson is or how 'cunning' the EDL are I'd suggest that your belief that you have an inside track with that are about as informed as your previous claims.
I've argued with left wingers that Tommy Robinson is difficult to catch out. I keep telling them that not all racist scum are idiots and Robinson is proof of that. Anti-FA need to come up with more considered ways of fighting facism. Rather than just shouting Nazi scum at anyone they disagree with they should consider ways of addressing issues that EDL feed off of. Hence, why I've been so critical of people blindly supporting BLM.

For me you're just echoing the mainstream media's position on Robinson without actually having spent time considering what he says.
More EDL supporters making a pre-planned statement making themselves out to be the victim. It's a far-right organisation and should be challenged and it's leaders have no place in our society.

If you did so then I'm not saying you'd agree with him as you appear to be supportive of the liberal elites and the society they created. However, if you had done so then at least you'd have an actual balanced view of what the reality is in respect to Robinson and the 'far right'.
Where have I supported liberal elites? I've constantly said they are detached from reality. They are too theoretical, lack pragmatism, they dismiss genuine concerns of the working classes and as a result are feeding the EDL.

I'd say I agree with much of the dissident right and follow some of its leaders so I can give you a little of the actual realities on the ground in respect to Robinson.
That's how they get people in.

Now Robinson is in what is called the Counter-jihad movement. That's what his interest area is. While much of what he says is agreed with there are also strongly held disagreements between him and the actual dissident right.....which you would call 'far right'. We've got MI5 and CT policing for that.
Constantly telling people that Islam is an evil religion is in no way an effective method of stopping terrorism. It's just another guies for inciting racial hatred. Whats the plan for his new movement, get boozed up and shout a lot?

What those disagreements are would extend this post significantly but it is sufficient to say that he and his movement aren't actually in the dissident right.
Former member of the BNP, founder of EDL. He is.

Maybe, it's all the same to you but these distinctions exist.

Instead of which their opponents get a free rein to demonise and mischaracterise without allowed response going against the very principle of a 'free marketplace of ideas'.,,,,which I would suggest an actual liberal society, if it existed, would believe in.
You keep dismissing me as a liberal. I'm not sure why. I've been vocally anti-corbyn, anti-BLM, pro Boris, I've defended Dominic commings, pro-stop and search.

Keep telling yourself thet Robinson isn't a racist, but he is. He's spent his life dedicated to it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2020 3.52am)

Rather I'm more interested in fairness and accuracy and that's what prompted my initial reply.

Fair enough, I wasn't insulted. It just came across as a petty dig rather than a joke. Mainly because it's wasn't addressing any of my points. Great show. I hope cancel culture doesn't get hold of it. Pretty sure they can find a critism of anyhthing if they look hard enought. I probably took things too far there.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2020 7.32pm)

I think joining the BNP is undeniable proof of racism to me. Excuses to try and cover it up are akin to Hennessessy claiming he'd never heard of the Nazi's (not that I think Hennessy should have been dragged through the mud for that, it was just a cheap joke between friends). Or it's a bit like the money that was just resting in Father Ted's account.

I've heard all the stuff about him saying he's not against all muslim's. Again I think it's just a tactic to justify his continied attacks against Islam. If he put the same amount of effort into bringing people together rather than looking for divisions the world would be a better place.

Some of his concerns are legitimate, but why are they always aimed at one particular demographic? Why does he continually demonise one religion? That's not fairness or accuracy.