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Hoof Hearted 23 Jun 16 11.37am
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet I was thinking the opposite, the young'ens won't give a fark about the rain, don't they just stand around in the wet all day anyway, wearing hoodies? It's the old dears in the 'leave' camp that will be put off hobbling down to the Church hall in case they slip on a wet leaf. Their votes are already in by post.
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Hoof Hearted 23 Jun 16 11.37am

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

I was thinking the opposite, the young'ens won't give a fark about the rain, don't they just stand around in the wet all day anyway, wearing hoodies? It's the old dears in the 'leave' camp that will be put off hobbling down to the Church hall in case they slip on a wet leaf.

Their votes are already in by post.

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 23 Jun 16 11.45am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Yes. Dave didn't want to take on the exit phase of leaving the EU, all the renegotiating and short-term economic downturn. At least we haven't heard 'legacy' during his tenure, although there isn't much to write home about. What has he actually done? Reduced govt spending, halved the deficit to now and just kept the country ticking over. The only thing he has done was not stretch the UK finances any further in case there was another big economic crisis. I think Cameron's first term (with the LDs) was full of remarkable achievements considering the circumstances. He lost his head this term though, along with Osborne. Obsessed with legacy, they've meddled with the market too much and moved way too far into the centre, almost centre-left to try and bury Labour. It's all been tactics, not what's best for the country. I won't vote for the pair of them ever again. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes. Dave didn't want to take on the exit phase of leaving the EU, all the renegotiating and short-term economic downturn.

At least we haven't heard 'legacy' during his tenure, although there isn't much to write home about. What has he actually done? Reduced govt spending, halved the deficit to now and just kept the country ticking over. The only thing he has done was not stretch the UK finances any further in case there was another big economic crisis.

I think Cameron's first term (with the LDs) was full of remarkable achievements considering the circumstances. He lost his head this term though, along with Osborne. Obsessed with legacy, they've meddled with the market too much and moved way too far into the centre, almost centre-left to try and bury Labour. It's all been tactics, not what's best for the country. I won't vote for the pair of them ever again.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 23 Jun 16 11.48am
Originally posted by We are goin up! I think Cameron's first term (with the LDs) was full of remarkable achievements considering the circumstances. He lost his head this term though, along with Osborne. Obsessed with legacy, they've meddled with the market too much and moved way too far into the centre, almost centre-left to try and bury Labour. It's all been tactics, not what's best for the country. I won't vote for the pair of them ever again. You won't need to, Boris or Theresa May next As someone who is right of centre I had hoped for a coalition again, i think that on the whole it worked rather well. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 23 Jun 16 11.48am

Originally posted by We are goin up!

You won't need to, Boris or Theresa May next

As someone who is right of centre I had hoped for a coalition again, i think that on the whole it worked rather well.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Hoof Hearted 23 Jun 16 11.48am
Originally posted by We are goin up! I think Cameron's first term (with the LDs) was full of remarkable achievements considering the circumstances. He lost his head this term though, along with Osborne. Obsessed with legacy, they've meddled with the market too much and moved way too far into the centre, almost centre-left to try and bury Labour. It's all been tactics, not what's best for the country. I won't vote for the pair of them ever again. Nor me. Their standing is alongside Corbyn's dismal popularity rating with most voters I expect.
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Hoof Hearted 23 Jun 16 11.48am

Originally posted by We are goin up!

Nor me.

Their standing is alongside Corbyn's dismal popularity rating with most voters I expect.

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Lyons550 Shirley 23 Jun 16 12.00pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Its statements like these that make me think twice about voting leave. You seem to forget that body includes the UK, who also vote. I think there are something like 50-60 EU laws that the UK didn't vote for, out of something like 2500. As for the Court, when I hear people talking about the ECHR like that, to me, it sounds like people who want to ensure that people only have rights when its convenient. Well done, you've convinced me not to vote for leave. I symapthise ; the irony of all the LEAVE officiandos doing so because they wont be told what to do, then telling everyone else what to do makes me laugh. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 23 Jun 16 12.00pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its statements like these that make me think twice about voting leave. You seem to forget that body includes the UK, who also vote. I think there are something like 50-60 EU laws that the UK didn't vote for, out of something like 2500.

As for the Court, when I hear people talking about the ECHR like that, to me, it sounds like people who want to ensure that people only have rights when its convenient.

Well done, you've convinced me not to vote for leave.

I symapthise ; the irony of all the LEAVE officiandos doing so because they wont be told what to do, then telling everyone else what to do makes me laugh.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Jun 16 12.08pm
Originally posted by We are goin up! I think Cameron's first term (with the LDs) was full of remarkable achievements considering the circumstances. He lost his head this term though, along with Osborne. Obsessed with legacy, they've meddled with the market too much and moved way too far into the centre, almost centre-left to try and bury Labour. It's all been tactics, not what's best for the country. I won't vote for the pair of them ever again. Remind me what they've achieved. Oh raising the lowest tax threshold was a good one. A good Lib Dem policy they've taken credit for since just before the 2015 election. A lot of their policies have been implemented pretty poorly and some have been reversed because of this or because their MP's, the public the House of Lords, take your pick, are appalled by them. I voted Lib Dem as well in 2010. I thought a diluted Tory govt what was what the country needed, albeit with a slight chance of gaining a seat in East Surrey. Cam and sham are like caretaker managers until someone more qualified turns up. Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Jun 2016 12.10pm) COYP
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Caterham 23 Jun 16 12.08pm

Originally posted by We are goin up!

Remind me what they've achieved. Oh raising the lowest tax threshold was a good one. A good Lib Dem policy they've taken credit for since just before the 2015 election. A lot of their policies have been implemented pretty poorly and some have been reversed because of this or because their MP's, the public the House of Lords, take your pick, are appalled by them.

I voted Lib Dem as well in 2010. I thought a diluted Tory govt what was what the country needed, albeit with a slight chance of gaining a seat in East Surrey.

Cam and sham are like caretaker managers until someone more qualified turns up.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Jun 2016 12.10pm)

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 23 Jun 16 12.11pm
Originally posted by Willo Indeed "Moves on" to a "United States of Europe". As for shaping it, some 50 - 60% of our laws and 70% of regulations are dictated to us by a EU that has a hunger and desire to impose increasingly statist regulations on 28 diverse nations. At the end of the day, the EU is institutionally incapable of reform.The EU is ruled by a secretive, unelected commission whose diktats are backed by a court able to override elected democracies. VOTE LEAVE They are frightening numbers and also totally untrue As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 23 Jun 16 12.11pm

Originally posted by Willo

Indeed "Moves on" to a "United States of Europe".

As for shaping it, some 50 - 60% of our laws and 70% of regulations are dictated to us by a EU that has a hunger and desire to impose increasingly statist regulations on 28 diverse nations.

At the end of the day, the EU is institutionally incapable of reform.The EU is ruled by a secretive, unelected commission whose diktats are backed by a court able to override elected democracies.

VOTE LEAVE

They are frightening numbers and also totally untrue

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 23 Jun 16 12.16pm
I keep seeing the word 'Democracy' and 'Unelected' bandied about the Leave camp... The last UK election. 36% of the electorate voted Conservative - ergo 64% did not. UKIP took 12.6% of the vote and got 1 MP The Greens took 3.8% and got 1 MP The SNP took a mere 4.7% of the vote and got 55 MP's If you want unelected and undemocratic politics in action then the EU has nothing on the UK political system.... As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 23 Jun 16 12.16pm

I keep seeing the word 'Democracy' and 'Unelected' bandied about the Leave camp...

The last UK election.

36% of the electorate voted Conservative - ergo 64% did not.

UKIP took 12.6% of the vote and got 1 MP
The Greens took 3.8% and got 1 MP
The SNP took a mere 4.7% of the vote and got 55 MP's

If you want unelected and undemocratic politics in action then the EU has nothing on the UK political system....

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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npn Crowborough 23 Jun 16 12.19pm
I think Cameron and Osborne have shafted their careers during this campaign, and remainers will not go anywhere near Boris now. If this farce has achieved anything, I think it will be a new broom and sweep away quite a few of the previous heirs to the Tory leadership. A new start perhaps? Oddly I think the only leaders to emerge with any credit for being pretty up front about what they want and why are Wee Jimmy Krankie and Caroline Lucas (yes I know she's not actually the leader, but she is in all important regards - as demonstrated by the fact I can't even remember the real leader's name). I would have included Farage, but there have been too many lies flying around - he could have made a good case without stooping to that level. Corbyn will get away with it because he was already unelectable so it will make no difference. In fact it may be good for Labour - they'll push him out soon, and whoever comes in may remain untainted.
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Crowborough 23 Jun 16 12.19pm

I think Cameron and Osborne have shafted their careers during this campaign, and remainers will not go anywhere near Boris now. If this farce has achieved anything, I think it will be a new broom and sweep away quite a few of the previous heirs to the Tory leadership. A new start perhaps?

Oddly I think the only leaders to emerge with any credit for being pretty up front about what they want and why are Wee Jimmy Krankie and Caroline Lucas (yes I know she's not actually the leader, but she is in all important regards - as demonstrated by the fact I can't even remember the real leader's name). I would have included Farage, but there have been too many lies flying around - he could have made a good case without stooping to that level.

Corbyn will get away with it because he was already unelectable so it will make no difference. In fact it may be good for Labour - they'll push him out soon, and whoever comes in may remain untainted.

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 23 Jun 16 12.20pm
Originally posted by The Sash I keep seeing the word 'Democracy' and 'Unelected' bandied about the Leave camp... The last UK election. 36% of the electorate voted Conservative - ergo 64% did not. UKIP took 12.6% of the vote and got 1 MP The Greens took 3.8% and got 1 MP The SNP took a mere 4.7% of the vote and got 55 MP's If you want unelected and undemocratic politics in action then the EU has nothing on the UK political system.... Element of truth in this, however it's a bit rich that the same people who bleated about the lack of democracy in our voting system because their side lost last May are now happy to give democracy away to unelected bureaucrats. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Coulsdon 23 Jun 16 12.20pm

Originally posted by The Sash

I keep seeing the word 'Democracy' and 'Unelected' bandied about the Leave camp...

The last UK election.

36% of the electorate voted Conservative - ergo 64% did not.

UKIP took 12.6% of the vote and got 1 MP
The Greens took 3.8% and got 1 MP
The SNP took a mere 4.7% of the vote and got 55 MP's

If you want unelected and undemocratic politics in action then the EU has nothing on the UK political system....

Element of truth in this, however it's a bit rich that the same people who bleated about the lack of democracy in our voting system because their side lost last May are now happy to give democracy away to unelected bureaucrats.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Jun 16 12.34pm
Originally posted by npn I think Cameron and Osborne have shafted their careers during this campaign, and remainers will not go anywhere near Boris now. If this farce has achieved anything, I think it will be a new broom and sweep away quite a few of the previous heirs to the Tory leadership. A new start perhaps? Oddly I think the only leaders to emerge with any credit for being pretty up front about what they want and why are Wee Jimmy Krankie and Caroline Lucas (yes I know she's not actually the leader, but she is in all important regards - as demonstrated by the fact I can't even remember the real leader's name). I would have included Farage, but there have been too many lies flying around - he could have made a good case without stooping to that level. Corbyn will get away with it because he was already unelectable so it will make no difference. In fact it may be good for Labour - they'll push him out soon, and whoever comes in may remain untainted. Doesn't Nicola Sturgeon secretly want Brexit to trigger another Scottish Independence Referendum? One every parliament, she'd love that. COYP
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Caterham 23 Jun 16 12.34pm

Originally posted by npn

Oddly I think the only leaders to emerge with any credit for being pretty up front about what they want and why are Wee Jimmy Krankie and Caroline Lucas (yes I know she's not actually the leader, but she is in all important regards - as demonstrated by the fact I can't even remember the real leader's name). I would have included Farage, but there have been too many lies flying around - he could have made a good case without stooping to that level.

Doesn't Nicola Sturgeon secretly want Brexit to trigger another Scottish Independence Referendum? One every parliament, she'd love that.

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Stuk Top half 23 Jun 16 12.45pm
Originally posted by npn I think Cameron and Osborne have shafted their careers during this campaign, and remainers will not go anywhere near Boris now. If this farce has achieved anything, I think it will be a new broom and sweep away quite a few of the previous heirs to the Tory leadership. A new start perhaps? Oddly I think the only leaders to emerge with any credit for being pretty up front about what they want and why are Wee Jimmy Krankie and Caroline Lucas (yes I know she's not actually the leader, but she is in all important regards - as demonstrated by the fact I can't even remember the real leader's name). I would have included Farage, but there have been too many lies flying around - he could have made a good case without stooping to that level. Corbyn will get away with it because he was already unelectable so it will make no difference. In fact it may be good for Labour - they'll push him out soon, and whoever comes in may remain untainted. Leanne Wood(n't). Wee Jimmy Krankie however, you couldn't get more hypocritical than what she wants. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 23 Jun 16 12.45pm

Originally posted by npn

Oddly I think the only leaders to emerge with any credit for being pretty up front about what they want and why are Wee Jimmy Krankie and Caroline Lucas (yes I know she's not actually the leader, but she is in all important regards - as demonstrated by the fact I can't even remember the real leader's name). I would have included Farage, but there have been too many lies flying around - he could have made a good case without stooping to that level.

Leanne Wood(n't).

Wee Jimmy Krankie however, you couldn't get more hypocritical than what she wants.

Optimistic as ever

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